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Lol, well thanks for unbanning me, im happy to play again but please, thin ice and making a step towards stuff; ive ALWAYS been a team player(couldnt have survived expert otherwise, well ya of course i can solo it cuz u know im a raid bawse but still) that way, aaalways, im like killing myself for my team half the time, and i always rush out there first just to pop the boomers, its addictive, and then i die with like 230 percent deeps, u just hafta keep me around long enough to see But i thought about the situation when i was on my motorcycle and ran over something unimportant, that i think should be discussed and i should make it in another forum as a new topic, but id like to highlight this as an example, because i didnt quite word it the way i wanted to before, and its about rushing. I would be fine if i got banned for rushing, right regardless whether or not its justified it shouldnt be the place to object, then i post my reason and claim its a valid rush, and then its like okay, thats fine you might have been wrong for rushing right looking back on it now, but in the moment you couldnt say whwther it was a right or wrong decicsion im unbanning you now. seems like a pain, but its fine becasue i think it falls into an area where as long as that person tries to make the right one its okay. To keep them banned seems like the wrong call because they were making decisions not to break any kind of rule, but to benefit their team seems legitament, and that can be by earning points or the strategy i use, by healing up in a safe place then coming out to help the team. Like in the situation i was in you know how u can see the outline of your teamates to tell whos alive and not, well when your out of range, to me there were 4 people on my screen, but i only saw them after, i didnt see them when i was running like hell. Its rather difficult to tell whether or not your going to live or die, and to tell whos alive and dead on your team when it doesent show everyone on your team because of the map and distance, objectives block the glow somtimes, so i think that should be taken into mind as well. It might have been also due to being black and white. Id just like to post these things because i feel like they are really important and somthing that shouldnt be looked over in making a decision about the validity of people's claims etc. Dont take this the wrong way im not ungrateful for you unbanning me, im saying these things because its the way i feel, and id like to help and inform and give my opinion about this subject and ultimately have this be a constructive kind of discussion, or at least get the info out there and see this not happen to other people, or myself again >_>. Represent.

I had failed to mention there were 3 people down in the hall when i got around the tank, after i popped adren he did hit me forward, to further imply "oh my hes follwoing me." Self preservation to later help is the only way i was still alive, i circled in close proximity to the tank, it was a narrow hall, and i circled around him, if i had gone back i would have gotten knocked down in 1 hit, or hit by the 2 garbage cans that were piled to the right of the entrance insta killing me. There were 4 special infected outside the safe room, if i had stayed to help, i would risk being caught by the tank which i didnt have time to look for other than keep moving, or the 4 special infected would have spawned as an incapper. No matter what i say its always deemed as wrong, because its not something you would do or deem as acceptable. But you say i had plenty of time to help my team, when no, i had no time, to help, i aimed at the special infected to try and get it off him, but the strat of remaxing health to help is superior to ignoring the safe room alltogether and with red hp enabling myself to be surrounded, they had spawned 2 spitters but regardless > In the moment it was the right thing to do, since its easy to go back and look and see well, if you did this or you did this, is a whole other matter etc etc. Would it be any different to you if the 2 tanks had killed our team, but i had popped adrenaline from inside the safe room and saved the nearest one before death and escorted him. I think so. Which was my plan. So why is the safer strategy of helping my team worse than a suicidal one, in which i have no faith. Any amount of time banned seems moot since i had clear reasons to rush, and all those prior issues in which i had valid reasons and took the time to explain on every point was totally ignored and shot down by everyone here, ignoring all my subject matter and dismissing everything based on "tone", i dont think i should be removed at all, if you take the time to re-read my posts. I see nothing wrong with what ive done and id do it again because its the right play, instead of accepting certain death, regardless of how many teamates are up or not, if i think im going to die and i see no other way to live, its an acceptable strategy. This maximizes overal dps and hp. Thats thinking of team strats, since ive ran scenarios proving that as long as you dont go down your maxing dps will win the games over length and distance to the objective. I killed si inside the saferoom more than i would have if i got incapped. Btw, i used 14 medkits as a healer for my time the last 2 games each round before that, and during that same round. Im no "zomg Rsuhaar." This banning stuff is making me really depressed when i mean to help my team and i keep getting punished for it. Can you please see it my way? I feel like my points are ignored, and im here to talk it out, and i really want you to know that im not this kind of person you think i am. -- p.s. and when i see people look at me rush into the safe room i want them to say "Oooh thats girly, yah she knows what shes doing, shes gonna save us! :D", not "Zomg That GIRly Again! Argh! weve told her! Ban ban BAN! i got killed when she went right past me." leaving out the part where there are 14 hunters on them.

Player Girly No Demos Steam ID STEAM_1:1:10939810 Steam Community 76561197982145349 IP address 67.253.200.174 Invoked on 05-29-14 14:06 Banlength 1 d Expires on 05-30-14 14:06 Reason rushing the saferoom w/ 9 people up Banned by Admin MadVillain Was limping in long hall in spit and on fire, just emptied clip to kill a witch, till i see 2 garbage cans squish right up against my face the common infected being in the way saved me, i juked the tank behind safety fence took adrenaline, and ran in front of him, buying pain pills running at same time shooting everything in my face, there was a guy getting pummeled by a charger and i shot at him emptying my clip but didnt get him down, thinking the tank was still chasing, i go into safe room, talking to my team; also cant tell how many ppl are up distance wise., and then im called out for rushing, while i prep myself ascertaining the situation, and infect myself with a med kit. Tank ends up dead, round ends, im banned. Justified rushing in my mind to reheal and exit to help team is a sound strategy. Please unban, thankyou.

Ill edit it as many times as i please until its to my standards. Pumpkin pie is colorful. Kappa. Sounds like a desperate snide and sarcastic remark to me. I always try since its pvp. I couldnt go inside or i would be dead, tank 4 ppl on the floor, 2 up maybe from what i saw. 4. Rushing is acceptable in situations where it is appropriate, this is one of them in my mind, and if people are going to gang me with complaints ill probably have a defeatist attitude and say "yaya aaalright whatever." 5. I took the time to come here, to post, to reason, to explain. 6.No rushing is acceptable in certain logical situations. its not ALWAYS unacceptable. Not as simple as you say, and if you knew that i might not be banned. "'Is saving my team going to be an impossibility?' If the answer is "yes", then it's safe to rush your butt off to the saferoom. Half your team is incapped, 50 Tanks are chasing you, you're boomed on, Hunters, your girlfriend Spitter, and Rochelle is chasing after you, then yes, rushing is justified. This doesn't have to be a strict scenario here, use your best judgement when deciding to rush. " I used my best judgement at the time. I wont have someone question my loyalty to teammates and wanting everyone to make it alive, if you played with me long enough youd know that. And now your calling me a liar. -wanted to edit this part because i can understand from your perspective why you did what you did, but for all these reasons is why i believe your wrong. I hope you enjoy the fireworks ive provided on todays Memorial Day yaaay

I was speaking for myself, literally. Since i was talking about my own play. I find it funny to watch people embarrass themselves by talking about things they dont know what theyre talking about or are totally misinformed like so. I responded with a joke to lighten the mood obviously since everyone was gearing at me as usual. it was "Boomer" hole since i was trying to spawn as a boomer from the outside at that very time. And thats called a ban not a ragequit. And yes i do. And if you bothered to read, i gave you my reason. Your welcome.

MurderinClony- Thankyou for explaining, i think this should be part of the motd page! chick82- Rushing isnt allowed on the server. There are times and places. Oxymoron. So there is rushing allowed on the server, and i was in the time and place for it, and yes i know that since i explained it. My attitude is called for, when an admin does something wrong they should be held responsible for it. When a person's hand is chopped off you expect them to be calm and composed, yes actually, since theyre an adult they should, it is within their responsibility to find justice, which is why im here, and i have stated my case. And it is not you with the loss here, its me. This is not bashing or insulting. These are direct observations from what i have witnessed. Yes it can be tough, but thats the responsibility they take on when being an admin. Do the job. This is all part of learning a new job. Making a good admin is about having one that doesent make decisions lightly, and allows feedback. And when they make mistakes you dont let them off for it, and you dont wisk away and wash over the opinion of somone who isnt an admin who was their directly to protect even the new admins. My attitude isnt the one that needs to change. You need infact more people like me. People who arent afraid to give honest opinions, holding admins accountable for their actions, and reporting what they find to be problematic. Accept the criticizem of your player base. And you would rather have the ban stay because your not the one whos been falsey banned, your not the one with loss, and you find my tone too harsh and not full of fluff and compliments how how valiant etc. Since you were not there yourself, i think the ignorance speaks for itself. In no way do i mean to be insulting to you, again these are my honest opinions and thoughts in response to your post, thankyou. p.s i would also like to invite you for tea later. Protomanx13- Yah that would be fantastic in a perfect scenerio, which doesent happen, no time to type the buy menu, and have it glitch several times as it ususally does, while playing, while telling them as your dieing really isnt possible. Usually in live or die scenerios such things arent possible, since its fps, and the moments between encounters so close to each other really arent forgiving, not to mention that l4d2 engine chat interface really does lag out and goes into a non responsive state all too often unfortunately. mpg1770- I have stated in response to each guideline. I am adhering.

1. Give us as much information as possible. Player: Girly Steam ID STEAM_1:1:10939810 Ban Length: 1d Admin: Pump 2. State precisely what happened. We were inside before the trains, i was in spit, 20 percent life i used pills to revive, they spawned a tank in my face, it rushed past me i was black and white, i look behind me i see 4-5 teammates, noone else is visable, i weighed my options, i had 20 percent life black and white, i rushed for it, i bought adrenaline and pushed the lever, yes i wasnt a main, i was doing it out of survival, and im not sure how the point system totally works out anyway, like mains being 100 percent to total value or 90 percent and others are fractionalized by distance etc. I didnt have a choice to turn around there was a jocky a charger chasing me, if i stayed i would have died sooner than if i had sprinted. (the motd still isnt fixed, not that i would think it would show the details of point allocation) The next map loads and people are whining on my team and what do you know it shows im banned from the server. 4. Apologize. I dont apologize, i demand an apology. I have no intention of loosing, or dieing while following the rules. 5. Flatter us. Im here. 6. Assure us that your behavior will change for the better. Your behavior. I dont like admins totally not giving me a chance at all to even reply, stop picking people who lack social skills id appreciate it, (ive been advised to change my wording to help my own case, this is my honest opinion based on what ive seen on the forum as well as how admins treat each other in the game, and if you dont like it, at least you HAVE the freedom to disagree irl) Banned accused of rushing, was never given an chance to even reply, awesome job as always, really granting the basic right to even logically talk to a human being, not allowing people to talk on the server, so i have to come to the forums each time something like this happens. By the time anyone reads this im sure it will be 6+ to 12 to 24 hours and past and people will say stop whining its ONLY for a day. No its MY time, Meaning its more valuable than your perception to your own, so dont devalue My time based on YOUR own. This is based on right and wrong, my ban is unjustified and i was denied any kind of hearing after having an admin ive seen and played with for hours not even give me any acknowledgment to my existence like i was nothing, i find that insulting, and yes i am insulted.

lol after checking back every hour to see any status, i read your comment just now.. *squints* and i just saw that you unbanned me. I misread it before as; ill leave it up to someone else T^T lol thanks yo, cya in game ... okay and after re re reading it i saw you edited it T^T trollin me with edits, i wouldnt have known cuz it doesn't say if there was an edit in the topics as far as i can see, shows who last posted, just something to watch for in the future!

wow awesome my memory is better than i thought lol, yah

That previous ban was like a year or 2 ago like way way back thats why i didnt remember, and its not recorded on the ban list, the one i mentioned not the one for swearing. + That was a nice response. it made me feel a lil better and restored my faith- ima go to sleep too, and now i can sleep a lil happier ^ ^ thanks for your response

re:Biggs: yah <3 Oh yah i totally understand, im talkin from a gameplay in the moment sort of thing, its fun, not like purposely causing problems, but im - you know- talking about the gameplay experience being hectic. re:Merc: "You look, sound, and act like a troll." =_= that makes me feel woozy-i got super anxiety and i just ate some cereal(not a good combo), hurts my feelings, refer to the above post about bullying, and other stuff i wont mention but thats the kinda attitude i was talkin about to people up above. And i dont think people have to necessarily apologize for doing somthing that they think they were doing right but do for their ignorance of rules, especially if they react as hostile as you do. I hope people here respect a backbone and not the broken kind, ty.

1. Give us as much information as possible. Ban Details Player Girly No Demos Steam ID STEAM_1:1:10939810 Steam Community 76561197982145349 IP address 67.253.200.174 Invoked on 05-06-14 15:25 Banlength Permanent Expires on Not applicable. Reason disrespect to server Banned by Admin MaestroPG.gc Banned from Please Wait... Total Bans 2 (search) Blocked (3) Girly, Girly, Girly 2. State precisely what happened. I came into the gcftw versus server after playing on the other server and loosing a game. I then used the chat system when the new game was just spawning and players were joining and readying up. I stated that (this is not an exact quote) Ugh oh man, servers such garbage when theres noone in a full game. The ai is awful. Anyway all i had said was a one liner. Someone on mic said Ohh ban (possibly, or said look, or requesting an admin) to look at girly, to which the admin proceeded to say yes proceeding to ban, taking screenshot. I had typed calmly, wait really; your going to ban me from saying this, and "cmon Dont ban me for stating my opinion >:" and then i was permanently banned from the server. Awesome. I made a login and username to the forum but couldn't access the forums due to "Sorry! You dont have permission for that!"‏ The email response i got was super fast and appreciated, thanks to whoever did that. 3. Take responsibility for your own actions. You bet i do. Rules rent stated on the server, not all of them; and the server as far as i can tell doesn't redirect you to inquire about all of them either, in fact, just the other day there was a discussion over the mics about that situation. Which lead me to believe due to this and a previous statement by a member/ admin that criticism is allowed, as well as honest opinions by admins and members when i asked before hand the day before. This proves to be false, also i remember getting banned from the previous year by just this thing (i just didnt remember since my memory works after something has already happened in a deja vu sort of state) 4. Apologize. I am truly sorry because i cant play on the server i really enjoy, its literally the only server i have fun on with this game, i enjoy playing with people, but i really want the freedom to speak my mind, and i didnt know that admins would insta ban, even though i ASSUMED they would, because i observed beforehand there was a pretty huge intolerance and seeming ignorance against people with no way to say anything about it at all; like wait; hold on, ill be quiet ill go read the forums, just give me a moment or hey can you tell me why? why is that rule there? do you mind not hanging me immediately before burning me at the stake like a witch? etc. 5. Flatter us. Damn straight, youd know i already did Also ranking system, i love it i want to be first like in all the severs i play on or enjoy being in, with that said i like to play people with mics, and the arguments, i love them personally, and thats part of the game experience good and bad thats enjoyable. I would like to even improve the game, like i wanted to state, and ill get into that down below if youd read my long version. 6. Assure us that your behaviour will change for the better. To be honest yah, sure ill try not to break rules, as long as im given time to explain or i dont feel like im being thrown under the bus , i dont want to feel like im going to be perma banned at every little thing i do. like i want to have fun and be comfortable, and chat comfortably with cool admins, not the ss brigade that is going to send me off to a concentration camp if i say somthing they dont agree with. That said im an honest person, and i like to voice my mind, and i dont appreciate bullying. I think this community should welcome me based on that im an aggressive competitive person that likes to argue and stuff, but im not a jerk about it, and i dont give my opinion unless its really called for. - I had come into the game after playing for 17+ hours and loosing 21 games in a row due to circumstances that lead me to believe that the bots were on a certain difficulty or using a set of plugins. With that said i really hope that im unbanned and i really want to play but it would be sad if im banned for those reasons again. I also like to talk competitively with people so if you guys allow some rivalry on the server that would be nice, any kind of response to this would be helpful in my understanding that its allowed? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had written this before and it states most of my feelings about the subject and what i think should be discussed, i know that creating a separate thread would be appropriate but i also feel that the way in which i was banned and what i have observed on the forums about people getting banned that this is also applicable here. (beware of the wall of text and if you read it all good for you ^ ^) gcftw First of all i want you to take this not personally i want to be as polite as i can, and please dont get personally offended. Im serious. Seriously stop getting offended Hello i recently got banned and would like to dispute my ban , however; after i log in i cannot view any content with this following mesage " You are not allowed to visit this community." So i would like to know why, and also if s possible dispute my claim here. So ill start out and type my reason. Ive been perma banned from the l4d2 servers in the past for the same reason as i am now and thats "disrespecting the server" The admin took screenshots, and all that and it was honest opinion that i felt needed to be discussed however, he didnt even let me explain or anything, which in the past as it is now is the same exact reason why i feel so strongly that this is so wrong. Another guy immediately jumped on saying oh look "girly"s posted some not nice things in the server requesting a ban. Really... its so disgusting this attitude of grown adults... its very sickening to me. I also feel the need to say that i wont be sucking up to anyone here, i dont think you yourselves should post encouraging people to do so. I think you guys need a stern reality check. and yes I know that later on you guys will also come back with this response; saying that "If you dont like the rules then leave, its our servers, our rules, we get to do what we want, whenever, an admin as complete and total authority. The rules are there for a reason. If you dont like them you dont have to be here." i want to be here i want to be part of this community, and i want to have the freedom to be myself when i play here not only for myself but for the other people that play here as well. I wouldn't mind seeing these other uptight people upset either by not having the rules cater to their every fancy because they cant cut it in the real world with real people making real opinions and judgement calls. Players arent allowed to criticize anything about anything on this server with their honest opinions or criticisms. I asked a admin when there wasn't allot of people on the other day and he said we were allowed to give our opinions but just not swear im like okay cool, thankyou. So i did. After loosing 21 games in a row on your severs for the past 2 days, mostly from imbalanced teams of how the scoring system can be abused, the horrible bot ai, which i wanted to talk about and complain which as fair as i can see IS ALLOWED. I feel so restricted and choked that i cant talk or say anything, and im sure other players feel the same way as they will be insta banned without ANY room for discussion immediately. To which the admins will say Ohh were totally fair more so than other servers because we provide a forum to which you can voice and dispute your claim. However ive experienced this same problem where i wasn't able to connect to the forums probably because im banned from there as well at the same time? I have nothing to apologize for, what i did was the right thing to do. If there are issues in the game, i want to bring those issues up and im not the type of person to hide away and silence my opinion when i know the situation is bad. I feel that the admins ban anyone who has different opinions are are way to intense and silence everyone. I have indeed been quiet and ive studied this in the past on this server. It reminds me of a communist state where peoples opinions are silenced and labeled as a bannable offence and the circle of admins nodding and rooting and patting ech other on the back i find disgusting. Ive been reading rules as they pop up, listening to others on the server as we play, and reading what admins write to others in the disputing banned section KNOWING i would eventually get banned myself for being myself. I want to request my ban to be immediately revoked. Reason: "server disrespect" -calling the server garbage when after 17+ hours of game-play it has been trolling me over and over again. I should be allowed to state my feeling in chat without having to be piked up on a stake and immediately shown as an example to the public that anyone who speaks negatively about their servers will be made an example of. I find this disgusting to the community not only as human beings, but as players or as a player who wanted to discuss the problems on the server, which i have tried to do so in the past proving with the same results that this kind of thing has not changed at all. If we cant talk about why the server "sucks" than we can never make steps to improve it, or at the very least communicate. I have to simplify this in the most basic context because i cant talk freely in chat with other players is horrendous, i cant be myself and i cant truly know the other players around me. Please allow players the freedom to chat and talk freely. If your servers are total garbage maybe you should listen tot he reason why; Yes i understand your point of view as moderators that 'oh my another troll', yes we have to restrict players because no one here, including myself wants to see that stuff clogging up chat. Well say so, i find that arguing and communicating with people is an essential part of gaming and why i myself play online and not alone, I want to argue and complain and not worry about being banned, i want to be part of a community that respects its players, in which i in turn come to respect the community, but here i feel like that simply doesent happen. I've been reading complaints and things and i need to discuss this with others. Bottom line, i like playing on these server, i find it way fun when the servers are full and i like the positive attitude and mics and people. What i don't like are the total "donkey holes" on the mics that jump on someone immediately referring to regulation 12 article 15, and crucify someone for speaking out. but it sucks intensely when the server is low on players less than 8, or even lower. I find the classes imbalanced like the smoker is always useless in most situations, and the mod where you can lead a survivor as they are smoked would be more useful than nothig at the moment. I for one like the chaos on mics and what ensues its part of the game and variety of people, not everyone is the same, or part of an army, or brainwashed clones they are people and should be able to be people. Organic situations spring from the randomness of the people you get in game and thats what l4d2 is all about. Why cant i call someone out for being an donkey for restricting someones opinion, why cant i point to that admin and say hey, i dont agree with that. Because of order? because no matter what an admin says he has the final authority right? Even if he were to break the rules, well why not change those rules to be more forgiving and give people some freedom to express themselves in a constructive manner. Please consider all ive said, i want to play and ive been ranking up playing this server constantly. Your community needs someone like me. I just hope im talking to the right person about this who isnt closed minded. Ive also had two other problems, constant server disconnect issues where it says connecting to server alot and this problem where it says You are not allowed to visit this community. anyway ill try to post this on the forums when i can thanks for reading this and any response you got, i appreciate you taking the time to read it. Im not a bad person, and i dislike it when people think i am. I hope you see that i dont deserve any punishment for what ive done, and ill defend my opinions because im a person of integrity. Ps. Ive been standing up for players rights for a long long time now, and ill continue to do so in the future because its the right thing to do, and regardless of how you feel about it in this situation i believe you can see that a ban is not appropriate let alone a permanent one. An apology would be nice too. Lol okay i edited this last part because i just wanted to add i have no hatred for you guys, and we can all coexist peacefully, but when were in game and your my enemy hoe man i get riled up and stuff i dont even smack talk but if i could i would you know what i mean. See you in game i hope <3 thanks for reading + 50 infected points