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tWc|Goku banned for 1 month from .gc

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I got banned from gc for a month... From September 1st 2006 to October 1st 2006, now i got banned for this entire month just because some guy named Cowboyfromhell decides to tell an admin that i cussed him out and tk'd him on purpose and wouldnt drop the subject for the entire night... and if any of you tWc's know me... thats not like me at all :halo: im all up for fighting for whats right and i was wondering everyone's opinion on this... cowboy Tk's me right off the bat in the ct spawn on nuke i believe it was... so the very next round i shoot him in the leg... i know... thats not like me either but cmon... who doesnt get frustrated when there are only six ppl in the game and a teamate deliberately tk's you, i wasnt even mad... i just shot him and it was over for me... a day later i was pm'd by an admin on the forums Mrduke... asking what went on... i never check my forums so i didnt get the message... the next day i was banned from gc... wondering why i asked ppl in vent whats going on? they said dunno man why dont you check up the forums... so i did and i recieved two pms one was the one asking why... the other was stating that Mrduke had banned me from gc JUST to get me to check out my forums... i then gave him my side of the story and waited a day... he then pms me today stating i am banned for a month and that i should have known better because im a regular in the servers... and that i should have dropped it... well i just want feedback from you guys on what i should do at this point...

 

Sorry its such a long post but please lemme know what i should do, because i think this is very unfair and i have seen plenty of people get plenty of warnings before they were banned for smaller lengths of time... i mean.. i havent done ANYTHING wrong in gc servers since ive played there... cant wait a month to get back into gc... Thanks :peace:

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Just FYI, this is still a current topic in the board room. And ultimately that decides whether and what ban will be imposed (if any of course).

 

We have to be stern to keep the servers as they are. So we try to get everyone's side. The problem is that what you've put forth isn't meshing with the logs that well. Even what you've posted here isn't fully accurate (Now don't jump on this, as it was readily apparent you were tired and may not remember it exactly).

 

No board member was there, so we take what we have. Cowboy wasn't the only complainant here, and honestly, he didn't want this to turn into something negative.

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I hate to take sides, admins usually have logs or some kind of definitive evidence before they would make a decision such as the one made.... but i do have to say that out of all tWc, Goku would be the one I would vote least likely of even cussing in a public server. This is NOT to say that any of us do, trust me, if I had hard evidence that proved our members were breaking .gc rules, I would not be forgiving. But it is just unlikely from the goku i know.

 

Also this comes from a guy with "hell" in his name. While, for some reason, I guess that is not considered a swear-word even though "damning" is (they both refer to the same thing in effect), I would be wary of some person who just kinda randomly shows up (as far as i know) with a name like that and makes accusations against a player who has had a good record and has been playing our servers for a loong time.

 

Even if some of this were true, I think most of us know goku. I know the person (not to mention any names) that banned him does not know him as well, as they play on different servers for the most part. If goku did do something a little out of par (who doesn't get angry at stupid ppl sometimes?), it still wouldn't deserve a month, barring hard evidence. If he did exactly as u are assuming or somehow know, then he does deserve it, and good for you guys.

 

The part from Goku's side of the story is this: they were playing on scopeless. "Hell" is using scoped weapons (because the .cfg or whatever is down due to updates). Goku insists that he does not. "Hell" gets mad. "hell" tks goku (and later tells the admin it was an accident). Goku shoots him the next round in the leg because he is a little upset (who wouldn't be). From there, barring hard evidence its all hearsay. "hell" claims goku was cussing on the server. I would have to say nay. He doesn't even cuss in ventrilo to speak of (and i do notice these things) or at least far less than an average person would. Again, this is Goku's story to me. Since he is posting public, i'm making it public so we can all figure this out.

 

So an admin that tries to read between the lines in the logs bans him. I ask for hard evidence please, because this doesn't seem right to me, and I am stellar at upholding .gc standards. Sometimes I post up controversial topics on subjects, but that is the most I do to disrupt things here.

 

tWc|RoGuE.gc

Edited by RoGuEmX

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Cowboy's been around a long time (prolly 3 years or more). So he's not some random pubber.

 

The TK happened right after Goku killed an opposite team member, and was immediately followed by a "sorry" from Cowboy. It doesn't appear to be a spawn TK at all.

 

This happened in the pistol round right at the start of the map.

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Cowboy's been around a long time (prolly 3 years or more). So he's not some random pubber.

 

The TK happened right after Goku killed an opposite team member, and was immediately followed by a "sorry" from Cowboy. It doesn't appear to be a spawn TK at all.

 

This happened in the pistol round right at the start of the map.

 

 

apologies and thanks, these are the kind of things I would like to know to sort through the evidence.

Edited by RoGuEmX

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Just for a little more, so you know what we're looking at:

 

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:02: Log file started (file "logs\L0829015.log") (game "C:\servers\gcftwns\cstrike") (version "2844")

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:12: "[VI] OveRated ` X" entered the game

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:12: "tWc|Goku@gcftw.com" entered the game

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:18: "tWc|Goku@gcftw.com" joined team "CT"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:24: "[VI] OveRated ` X" joined team "CT"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:28: World triggered "Round_Start"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:45: "w8t4time.gc<TERRORIST>" killed "SHOOT.gc<CT>" with "deagle"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:57: "w8t4time.gc<TERRORIST>" triggered "Planted_The_Bomb"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:45:59: "tWc|Goku@gcftw.com<CT>" killed "w8t4time.gc<TERRORIST>" with "deagle" (headshot)

L 08/29/2006 - 02:46:07: "[VI] OveRated ` X<CT>" killed "tWc|Goku@gcftw.com<CT>" with "usp" (headshot)

L 08/29/2006 - 02:46:13: "[VI] OveRated ` X<CT>" say "sorry"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:46:25: "tWc|Goku@gcftw.com<CT>" say "that was weak"

 

That's the map starting and the TK and "sorry". This is the first round.

 

L 08/29/2006 - 02:48:14: "[VI] OveRated ` X<CT>" say "no aug pal"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:48:47: "tWc|Goku@gcftw.com<CT>" committed suicide with "world"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:48:54: "[VI] OveRated ` X<CT>" say "im not really crying pal you wont drop it"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:48:57: "[VI] OveRated ` X<CT>" say "please drop it"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:49:07: "[VI] OveRated ` X<CT>" say "wow now attacking me"

L 08/29/2006 - 02:49:12: "[VI] OveRated ` X<CT>" say "thanks"

 

That's a couple minutes later showing Cowboy not condoning the scoped weapons, and responding to the TAs from Goku. So a full 2 minutes later he was going on about the TK. This was the 3rd round.

 

Both agreed it happened on Nuke, which the logs show also:

 

L 08/29/2006 - 02:44:59: Log file started (file "logs\L0829014.log") (game "C:\servers\gcftwns\cstrike") (version "2844")

L 08/29/2006 - 02:44:59: Loading map "de_nuke"

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I dont mean to jump the gun on this or anything, but i just think its an unfair punishment, yea i know i shoulda just dropped it but CMON! a month? isnt that going a bit over the top... i mean ive seen ppl cuss out admins and only get warnings b4... even one time i was in a gc server and it was late at night and an admin was LETTING ppl cuss(to an extent) im not saying any names... im not here to get anyone in trouble... but anyways... this is my FIRST offence and i think its kinda lame that i get banned an entire month, sorry this had to escalade to something so catistrophic, that wasnt my intention.. i just wanted ppls opinions on this situation considering it was a first offence... now on the second hand.. i can understand where you guys come from in trying to protect the server from bad ppl who want to make it a not-so-fun playing environment... but lots of the regular admins on Immutable know me and know that im all for fun and hard work... :unsure: im a regular in immutable and the ppl know me there... if anyone knows how i usually act its gonna be the ppl there and the regular admins who play there :D

 

Im not an admin and what i think matters not.. but i just dont wanna be left out of all the fun because of one mistake... :shrug03:

 

Oh... and i meant to make this private but i think i posted in the wrong area :| sorry bout that.. only like my 8th post so im still a newb at this forum stuff... but yea... sorry :(

Edited by Goku

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yea i know i shoulda just dropped it but CMON! a month? isnt that going a bit over the top

You're a regular, you know you should have dropped it but you didn't, THEN you retaliate by intentionally FF him. When I see a pubber do this, he's perma-banned.

 

... i mean ive seen ppl cuss out admins and only get warnings b4

 

I don't believe this one. Right now you're dealing with me and I promise you, anyone who cusses me out does not get a warning.

 

... even one time i was in a gc server and it was late at night and an admin was LETTING ppl cuss(to an extent)

First, this incident didn't occur during this vague and general 'time' and I was not the admin dealing with it. Second, admins should not be allowing it. Please provide me with more information so we can discuss it with that admin.

 

this is my FIRST offence and i think its kinda lame that i get banned an entire month

 

It's not the # of offenses that dictate my actions, my actions are a result of your actions.

 

sorry this had to escalade to something so catistrophic, that wasnt my intention.. i just wanted ppls opinions on this situation considering it was a first offence... now on the second hand.. i can understand where you guys come from in trying to protect the server from bad ppl who want to make it a not-so-fun playing environment

 

I'm glad you understand my position. Had you just sprayed porn or accidentally swore on the server, we wouldn't be here. I consider FF a teammate in retaliation for an accidental TK a serious matter. It's not the kind of behavior we condone.

 

... but lots of the regular admins on Immutable know me and know that im all for fun and hard work... :unsure: im a regular in immutable and the ppl know me there... if anyone knows how i usually act its gonna be the ppl there and the regular admins who play there :D

 

Im not an admin and what i think matters not.. but i just dont wanna be left out of all the fun because of one mistake... :shrug03:

 

Hit me via PM and let's hash this out in private.

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well, sounds like we are all done here then........

 

I thought the issue was a difference in the way things happened. But it looks like you are admitting you did something wrong and are just asking for more leniency. When you go in .gc servers and represent with our tag on, you are expected by tWc to uphold even higher standards that what .gc has put out. You must remember, that, while you are only banned for a month, tWc now has a tarnished reputation. Leniency denied.

 

That you say you have been in servers where admins WERE easier going on what ppl say is not even an issue. The fact is, swearing in .gc servers is wrong, you know better than that, from what I understand you not only swore, but you cussed someone out. So you got caught, and now you must serve your time. Thank the admins that it was only a month-long ban, and use that time to rethink things.

 

I fully support the admin's decision on this matter.

 

tWc|RoGuE.GC

Edited by RoGuEmX

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Also, to the .gc admins, I apologize for, what seems like, second guessing you. I know it's not really my place and I know that you don't have to offer up any kind of proof in public forums. It is decided, as it should be, in private. It DOES show a great deal of professional courtesy and respect to let the team leaders know exactly what happend, when one of their members aren't doing things quite right (or just completely wrong) Thank you for being professional, considerate, and respectful to us, and taking some time away from your day to help us see what happened.

 

For the rest of the team, I'm going to post a new sticky post in public here, that involves some of the issues we have seen here and in the past.

 

No more public trials.

 

Thanks again, .gc!

 

tWc|RoGuE.gc

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No, I think everyone can take something from this and learn from it, myself included.

 

Actually, Goku took it upon himself to ask for CBs screenname to apologize to him. That's a good thing and I think it shows his true character.

It could have been and probably was a fluke situation but we can't operate GC servers with our best effort and at the same time ignore flukes and mishaps that cross the line. As difficult as it can be sometimes, we must all hold each other accountable. Anything less than our best effort means we're no different than joe pub server and GC means too much to me to let that happen.

 

It's nothing personal against Goku and know that I would feel the same if Cowboy, Laz or Stutters (random) were in the same situation.

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This won't tarnish tWc's reputation, I've played with Whitey and others tons of times before and all of you have been very respectful. I hold nothing against you guys or even Goku. Like Duke said it was probably just one of those stupid fluke situations. Forgiving and forgetting is not a problem for me.

 

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In order for me to live and learn for this situation I would have to have one other thing from this cleared up. Was Goku really "cussing out this guy"? I mean he was sitting next to me when this happened. I believe. The worst I heard come out of him was "this is lame", and "I guess that guy cant read". I say I believe because I am not positive the day this happened and the day Goku was using my internet at my house, but if its the same day I think it is then that was the worst he said. I remember him telling a guy a few times not to use scoped weapons repeatedly over the mic. Then later he said to me, not over the mic. "That idiot tked me" Then i ask if it was the guy that was using scoped he said it was. So I would believe that it was on the same night, though I could be wrong and it could have been another night that the scopeless server was blocking scoped weapons. So what I would really like to know is, was Goku really considered cussing this guy out? If this is the same night I think it is, then I might just have to stop talking in fear of "this is lame" getting me banned. Now if this is not the right night then it is possible that Goku was actually cussing him out, though I do doubt it.

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In order for me to live and learn for this situation I would have to have one other thing from this cleared up. Was Goku really "cussing out this guy"? I mean he was sitting next to me when this happened. I believe. The worst I heard come out of him was "this is lame", and "I guess that guy cant read". I say I believe because I am not positive the day this happened and the day Goku was using my internet at my house, but if its the same day I think it is then that was the worst he said. I remember him telling a guy a few times not to use scoped weapons repeatedly over the mic. Then later he said to me, not over the mic. "That idiot tked me" Then i ask if it was the guy that was using scoped he said it was. So I would believe that it was on the same night, though I could be wrong and it could have been another night that the scopeless server was blocking scoped weapons. So what I would really like to know is, was Goku really considered cussing this guy out? If this is the same night I think it is, then I might just have to stop talking in fear of "this is lame" getting me banned. Now if this is not the right night then it is possible that Goku was actually cussing him out, though I do doubt it.

 

I came across this as I posted his un-banning. Here is your clarification.

 

I had no proof Goku cussed at him so it was not used to determine his ban time. The length of the ban was reflective of his actions, not his words.

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