3vil September 9, 2007 Share 3vil Member September 9, 2007 I would like to propose we try taking away the choice to pick teams one night to see just how even the teams can be.I always auto,every time i join.I feel that it is the only way to truly have a real way to make people play fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie September 9, 2007 Share mookie GC Alumni September 9, 2007 I've seen the way this works in Mani. Once you've been assigned to a side, you're stuck there. You can't do auto-assign again to get onto the other team. You can't join spec and then do auto-assign to get onto the other team. You can't reconnect to the server and then do auto-assign to get onto the other team. Auto team balance will not move you onto the other team. What would happen is this: one side starts losing, and a few players quit. Now they're down a couple of players, and Mani will actually prevent anyone from joining the losing team, even though they have less players. An admin would now be required just to make teams numerically equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan September 9, 2007 Share Tristan Member September 9, 2007 I feel there is quite a bit of team-stacking on retrocedence. The admins aren't forcing players over, and regulars are not volunteering their skill towards the other team. Granted I'm not speaking for everyone, and do not be insulted if you are one of the few that goes out of your way everyday for an even gaming experience... But many of us are not doing enough to fix this. Get in admin chat, you members. Tell everyone in there "Hey, I think these teams are unfair. Let's switch over player1 to CT." It goes a long way. Have a nice day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvin September 9, 2007 Share alvin Member September 9, 2007 http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=59234 Sourcemod is more reliable than mani. Both are lead by the same person, BAILOPAN. Mani is just a dead project that gets updated or fixed for steam updates while sourcemod is an on going project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie September 9, 2007 Share mookie GC Alumni September 9, 2007 Indeed SM is the successor to AMX, and Mani's been dead for quite a while. SM itself may be relatively stable but SM plugins individually are hit-and-miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroDamage September 9, 2007 Share ZeroDamage Member September 9, 2007 That kind of plugin is a terrible idea. What if you want to switch and fix the teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvin September 9, 2007 Share alvin Member September 9, 2007 The only plugin i couldn't get working right was the afk manager.. The rest of them work well though. I haven't tried the team balance since we don't care about it on our pub (^N602 pub). I just love how relatively easy they are to install and manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly September 10, 2007 Share dragonfly Member September 10, 2007 (edited) Us "good" UT players always even teams by skill (well, more like almost always). I think to solve the problem you need to come play some ons with us... Edited September 10, 2007 by DarkArchon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters September 10, 2007 Share stutters GC Alumni September 10, 2007 http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=59234 i'd love to give that a try, but i know some on retro/recrud weren't as open to the idea of a 3rd party teambalancer. That kind of plugin is a terrible idea. yer always so blunt What if you want to switch and fix the teams? same thing that would happen if you try to balance a numerically imbalanced team. srcds teambalance won't let you change teams with a +/- 3 player difference. most 3rd parties allow you to set that number, too. i can't say for sure this one does, but it'd be worth checking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroDamage September 10, 2007 Share ZeroDamage Member September 10, 2007 What I mean SJ is that an autobalancer is not that bad of an idea. The plugin that makes you stay on a team no matter what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unclean September 10, 2007 Share Unclean Member September 10, 2007 Us "good" UT players always even teams by skill (well, more like almost always). I think to solve the problem you need to come play some ons with us... +1 to that. Most of the time, I'll switch to the losing side to see if we can flip a map. Sometimes we can, and that's a great feeling. But there are also times when I just get steamrolled with everyone else. Then I repress those memories like all the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windex September 10, 2007 Share Windex Member September 10, 2007 losing team = more teamates dead and more opposing team to kill :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOFX September 10, 2007 Share NOFX Member September 10, 2007 That kind of plugin is a terrible idea. What if you want to switch and fix the teams? or what about some of us in the community who enjoy choosing the harder team? I like to play T on aztec, or CT on italy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered September 10, 2007 Share Bewildered Member September 10, 2007 I would like to propose we try taking away the choice to pick teams one night to see just how even the teams can be.I always auto,every time i join.I feel that it is the only way to truly have a real way to make people play fair. Auto is silly. I expect the better players try to even themselves out. Ie, it doesn't make sense to have ZD, Nuggz, NorgmaN, M2, etc. all on the same team; and if you wanted to stack, its easy to wait and see which side you'd be on before you auto. Further, when you join, and say the teams are like: T: 10 ppl, score 4 CT: 12 ppl, score 1 Auto will put you on T, and possibly increase the stack. Pressing Tab might make you decide you should stack CT some more; but maybe the problem has already been fixed and you'd be overstacking CT. I usually watch the current game a bit and then pick a side accordingly. Unless I decide not to play, in which case I auto and F10 since spectate isn't always an available option. If the map is new I usually pick the hard side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Fester September 10, 2007 Share Uncle Fester Member September 10, 2007 (edited) I don't think there is an easy fix for stacking. It does happen for sure. One would hope people would police themselves and spread out the talent pool evenly, but that just isn't happening. I really hope some type of change is implemented because the current system for Retro just aint working. Edited September 10, 2007 by Uncle Fester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyranus September 10, 2007 Share Tyranus Member September 10, 2007 Or give the admin the cohones to grab the few people doing this and switch em on their own and if they don't like it they can leave. I recorded 3 maps in a row on this particular night that sparked this topic and its a few people that don't need named If your in this community and you cant figure out its not about you yet? Go away . If an addy moves them and they go back kick em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoften September 10, 2007 Share lostoften Member September 10, 2007 easy fix, ban m2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allanon September 10, 2007 Share Allanon Member September 10, 2007 easy fix, ban m2 Short, sweet, and straight to the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawk September 10, 2007 Share mohawk Member September 10, 2007 I would like to propose we try taking away the choice to pick teams one night to see just how even the teams can be.I always auto,every time i join.I feel that it is the only way to truly have a real way to make people play fair. Auto is silly. I expect the better players try to even themselves out. Ie, it doesn't make sense to have ZD, Nuggz, NorgmaN, M2, etc. all on the same team; and if you wanted to stack, its easy to wait and see which side you'd be on before you auto. Further, when you join, and say the teams are like: T: 10 ppl, score 4 CT: 12 ppl, score 1 Auto will put you on T, and possibly increase the stack. Pressing Tab might make you decide you should stack CT some more; but maybe the problem has already been fixed and you'd be overstacking CT. I usually watch the current game a bit and then pick a side accordingly. Unless I decide not to play, in which case I auto and F10 since spectate isn't always an available option. If the map is new I usually pick the hard side. you have broken my heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magruter September 10, 2007 Share Magruter Member September 10, 2007 I would like to propose we try taking away the choice to pick teams one night to see just how even the teams can be.I always auto,every time i join.I feel that it is the only way to truly have a real way to make people play fair. Auto is silly. I expect the better players try to even themselves out. Ie, it doesn't make sense to have ZD, Nuggz, NorgmaN, M2, etc. all on the same team; and if you wanted to stack, its easy to wait and see which side you'd be on before you auto. Further, when you join, and say the teams are like: T: 10 ppl, score 4 CT: 12 ppl, score 1 Auto will put you on T, and possibly increase the stack. Pressing Tab might make you decide you should stack CT some more; but maybe the problem has already been fixed and you'd be overstacking CT. I usually watch the current game a bit and then pick a side accordingly. Unless I decide not to play, in which case I auto and F10 since spectate isn't always an available option. If the map is new I usually pick the hard side. you have broken my heart Me too... How could you forget the #1 player?!?!!? http://gcftw.stats2.nuclearfallout.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringadon September 10, 2007 Share Ringadon Member September 10, 2007 I usually join the winning team to drag the rest of them down with my inferior skills ;p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaM2 September 10, 2007 Share akaM2 Member September 10, 2007 Or give the admin the cohones to grab the few people doing this and switch em on their own and if they don't like it they can leave. I recorded 3 maps in a row on this particular night that sparked this topic and its a few people that don't need named If your in this community and you cant figure out its not about you yet? Go away . If an addy moves them and they go back kick em. last night i did switch nuggz to ct on lost temple. You were playing, the map ended like 10-9 or something. Oh forgot you called the whole server douchbags on the mic and left around the 7th round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyranus September 10, 2007 Share Tyranus Member September 10, 2007 Yes I did lose my temper I was drinking. No excuse. I lost my temper and new it was time to leave. I would like to point out I did not start this topic either. My leaving and saying that had nothing to do with the situation. I was being picked on and because of my intoxication was unable to ignore it. Once again I appoligise to everyone. If you would like to start a topic on how I am a big baby please do so elsewhere but it has nothing to do with this subject. I was on recording later after you left. I was recording trying to catch people cheating. Instead I caught all of the dialog on this subject and the attitudes that were given to others when they told people to try and even teams up. Believe it or not M2 i did not say one word during this disscusion i came back with a different name and stayed off the mic because I was disapointed I let that word out on the mic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyranus September 10, 2007 Share Tyranus Member September 10, 2007 I would like to add M2 does switch people but i am pretty sure some dont. A lot dont. I was just saying it should be common rule like when you see the other team hurting helping out like most do here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered September 10, 2007 Share Bewildered Member September 10, 2007 you have broken my heart Me too... How could you forget the #1 player?!?!!? http://gcftw.stats2.nuclearfallout.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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