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ZD, I've never even heard of someone being angry at a military cemetery over the use of crosses. Further more it makes no sense as atheists in the military get their own symbol just like Muslims, Sikas, etc.

 

Been a number of stories over the years. From crosses at cemeteries, Christmas displays on public places (It's a national holiday for crying out loud. Stop crying about it!), and other monuments. Display of the Ten commandments for example in some government buildings.

 

Here is an example: http://www.cbsnews.c...par-over-cross/

 

So if they had chosen to represent a different religion, like putting a statue of Buddha to represent the Buddhists that died in the tower how many Christians do you think would protest?

 

How often is Christianity bashed in the media, movies, and through "art" and how many riots, murders, and law suits have you seen as a result? I am betting none because it rarely if ever happens.

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Um... so what is this forum exactly... a mutual masterbation fest for believers?

Inflamatory towards us, but not directly towards any person. Just starts the tone of your statement to make me defensive right off and it's harder to hear what you mean to say.

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Saying someone did something or something happened because they didn't have religion in their lives is the exact same as the other person saying something happened because religion was in their lives.

 

If someone believes that Jesus Christ is their savior and they try to live their life better than they were in the past, that is a great thing for them. If I say my Father or Mother is my savior and I try to live my life better because of him then good for me. If another person believes some inanimate object is their savior, good for them. As long as someone is trying to live their life in a positive way, I dont see what anyone has against that.

 

I dont know why more people cant be happy with what others believe and leave it at that. When either side starts stating that the other person is wrong because they dont believe what that person believes, you are in the wrong by trying to force your beliefs.

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zd, you didn't answer my question which ruins my follow up. Meh.

 

But lets go with an example of something I'd bet you'd think as 'persecution' against Christians, Ahlquist v Cranston. Jessica Ahlquist had heard there had been complaints about a banner that displayed the 'school prayer', she took interest attended school board meetings and started a Facebook page leading to the involvement of the ACLU with time and the school district decided to foolishly take it to court. Now I say foolishly as they had no legal standing - the very first amendment specially starts with whats coined the "Establishment Clause" which states:

 

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

 

But that originally only applied to the federal government, not the state governments. Thanks to the 1947(and the 14th amendment) Everson v. Board of Education the 1st Amendment(along with the rest of the Bill of Rights) were incorporated to the state governments as well. This is interpreted by the Judicial Branch as Congress can't declare a national church, nor can it prefer one religion over another. Now no matter what you personally believe should have happened, the right thing happened and our government functioned the way it's supposed to and the school was forced to remove the banner. Now the 'Christian' response to this wasn't to organize a campaign and call their representatives and amend the 1st amendment - not that it would be practical but that is what you'd need to do. Instead they responded by blaming her - a 16 year old girl - and sending her threats of physical harm, death, hate and name calling to the point were police had to escort her around the school. So far all the things you've called persecution of Christians hasn't been persecution but equal rights for those who don't share your beliefs on publicly owned properties.

 

Now congress identifies themselves as 85% Christians, the Supreme court in modern times has a had Catholic majority, now being lazy and assuming since some 70% of Americans identify themselves as Christians I'd be willing to bet the executive branch and the district court judges have a Christian majority. Now we have the Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch, and the Judicial branch that all have a Christian majority - the people who execute the law, the people who create the law, and the people who interpret the law. It seems quite silly to me that Christians are being persecuted in America as Christians have a force majeure in every branch of US government. Americans have the right to remove any religious paraphernalia from any publicly owned land unless it represents people of all religions thanks due to the Bill of Right's 1st Amendment. You may not like it, and you don't have to, but it is the law.

 

Side note, if you want to be 'persecuted' go buy yourself a crossbuster hoodie and go through any bible-belt mall and count the number of times you get dirty looks, get told you're going to hell, get refused service, or just people trying to fight you.

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