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Hi,


When I discovered GCFTW about a year ago, I fell in love. I loved the 10 v 10 server because it was largely vanilla, and was well run with mods who wanted a fair and fun game for everyone. Today I am saying goodbye to that server, but in truth, that server hasn't existed for some time.


Having repeated incidents with mods in the past month, I feel like I was finally pushed over the edge tonight. On No Mercy 2, about 90% through the map, we had 2-3 deaths, and most of the rest incapped. We also were a noob heavy team and infected had 2 tanks up, wiping us fast. I was a main, so I took an adren and ran the last 10% up the street to the safe room. A very standard tactic in this situation where your team has no shot of recovering.


Upon reaching the safe room, Chick called me out for rushing, and then banned me.


To those who have played with me for hundreds of hours over the past year...does anyone believe that I am a rusher? Am I not the ultimate die-for-my-team player? I guard noobs in the back who are struggling, I'll fight tanks with even a glimmer of hope to make it through, and when all hope is lost, I'll run for the safe room and get as many points for my team as I can.


And this, it was decided, is worthy of a ban.


I would like to take this opportunity to say that I feel GCFTW has fallen considerably over the past year from what it once was. The level of admin abuse is truly staggering. I can barely go a game where an admin doesn't do something, on their own whim, that negatively impacts me or another non-admin on the server. While I am stomped instantly for even the slightest perception of a rule break. I would run through the various scenarios that have happened over the past month, but I feel like that would be overkill. In short, I think it is very sad how the server is now run.


Not wanting this to be a purely negative post, I would like to say it was quite enjoyable getting to know a lot of you and having a lot of fun gaming.


Mad respect for swat, general, and nerdy. I think you guys are the best players on the server, and you always pushed me to be a better player than I am. You were fun to compete with and I'll miss that.


I'll also miss all the friends I made. Too many to name, you know who you are. I'm sure I'll see you elsewhere.


Take care everyone. Happy gaming!

-drag

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I will say, I banned you for 15mins for rushing. You had half your team upstairs and 2-3 in the street with you when you popped your shot and rushed to the saferoom. It was a good few mins before anyone died. Not only did people on my team but a few on your team comment about your rushing. So I banned you.

 

If you want to leave that's sad, but I don't regret banning you, you rushed, I banned you for 15mins. That's it, nothing more.

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Ahh, so I'm overreacting. Admins sticking up for admins...which is a large part of the problem.

 

In any case, as I said in my post..."Having repeated incidents with mods in the past month..." So no, this isn't being punched once. It's repeated punches, making for a lousy gaming experience.

 

In any case, my membership was up anyways, and I had been on the fence about renewing. And the way things have gotten has made the decision a lot easier.

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Its not the fact that admins are sticking up for admins. You rushed not only in the eyes us admins, but in the eyes of your teammates that you clearly let down in the game. A 15 minute ban is nothing in the long run. Just be more conscious of the decisions you make in the game.

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Its not the fact that admins are sticking up for admins. You rushed not only in the eyes us admins, but in the eyes of your teammates that you clearly let down in the game. A 15 minute ban is nothing in the long run. Just be more conscious of the decisions you make in the game.

My teammates agreed that it wasn't rushing. Including an admin who messaged me that it was wrong that I got kicked.

 

The players who thought I was rushing were 2 players on the opposing team who I've never seen on the server before, and who don't know the difference between a rush and a tactical run for points when hope is lost.

 

Lastly, were you even in the game? Or are you sticking up for an admin because they are an admin, and hence, always right.

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That stinks drag, I will miss you. I thought that rushing was allowed if most of the teammates agreed. I still hesitate if an admin is on, because you never know if they'll complain about it. If the other team complains you're rushing I don't think that's right. It's not up to the enemy team to justify rushing if the other team is all down and agrees a main should run for it.

 

I do wish that admins would do more to even out the teams when they're horribly stacked. I know shuffle rarely works, but moving a few players would manually is great most of the time. Lately it's been a lost cause thanks to the steam sale, we've had an influx of new people but luckily some are learning and sticking around.

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Drag wouldn't make a post like this without some serious thought, and at least an inkling of these feelings brewing for quite a while (as he confirms in his original post).

 

I haven't played on the Server for quite a while (school has been crazy this whole semester), but for my worthless 2 cents, I've noticed a lot of forum drama in the past year about this kind of thing. It seems admins/mods are viewed more as a hindrance to "fun, fair play" instead of the cause of it.

 

Again, just my outside-in viewpoint... on a more related-to-the-topic subject -- sorry to see ya go, Drag. You were one of the players I could always count on to help me out and watch my back when we were teammates, and I always hated seeing you on the other side of the aisle in games. In short, you were a great opponent, and an even greater teammate. Thanks for the fun times, and don't be too much of a stranger around the forums. We can still hang out here, even if you aren't actively playing on the Server(s) for a bit.

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Thanks for the support Baloosh. I would hope all the regs on the server know that I'm the ultimate teammate and would never just ditch a team. It's not who I am. And why it's extra sucky that admins just kick/ban at the drop of a hat, and ask questions later.

 

Will miss playing with you as well. You too looney.

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I can see it from both sides. If an Admin sees a regular breaking what he/she considers one of the cardinal rules (no rushing!) then it's an even more egregious ignoring of the rules than if a newbie had done the same thing. Admins hold members, and regular, consistent players even more so, to a higher standard (as well they should) so it's not surprising that you were banned for what was interpreted as rushing.

 

I'm not saying you were rushing, and I'm not saying you weren't. I wasn't in that game, but I *can* say that I've never known you to rush before. Not once. But again, once any of the regular players/members are seen as violating rules, they (we?) are dealt with more harshly, because "we should know better."

 

Like I said, I can see why this incident might happen, and also why it might be an issue. Something like this situation sucks, no matter what side you're on... if there are even "sides" to take when something like this goes down.

 

Even more so, I'm sorry to see this single instance as the "straw that broke the camel's back" as they say. This particular instance being the catalyst for losing a player like drag is only bad news for all involved.

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I wasn't there so I am not adding my 2 cents. I just wanted to say was if you are truly leaving Drag; it has been fun, hope you decide to comeback and if you don't good luck in life.

 

It's not easy being an admin, everyone wants different things from you and it's impossible to see things from everyone's personal point of view, there is a lot of chaos in that game.

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If noobs (who presumably can't/ won't learn to use points) are incap upstairs at that spot...then they are basically dead, even more so with a tank up there. at that point, you might as well run as other infected players are going to be able to farm tank points off the incaps up top. even if the players that dropped kill the first two tanks there will probably be more. at this point all the regular SI can now focus the people on the bottom since the noobies are dead...and then gr.

 

i can't speak about the exact situation that occurred but i've been in enough situations like that where i just tell the last few people with me that its basically now escort the mains as far as we can time.

 

anyways, really sad to see you go drag, i remember getting excited when you first joined (on death toll i think) because you were the best player to join in a long while.

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I'm the ultimate teammate and would never just ditch a team. It's not who I am.

But isn't that kind of what you're doing by leaving? If you think we're not interested in making GC a fun experience for everyone, we're doing something wrong. We need people willing to speak up (while leaving emotion out of it) to help fix those things.

 

Hope you'll reconsider.

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I was there, was 3rd last to die. I don't feel like he rushed since it was just me and ytc outside with tanks right before he was banned and a nub in building who i tried to keep alive throughout the map but kept running through spit in the stairs. (people who were on know this guy was sitting in spit and kept chasing inf in back, he was new. dat shadow guy lol). Anyways i left him in the stairs after his 2nd incap since he'd be bw and would likely die. After i went out the building, was just me and ytc with tanks, drag was a main in the saferoom. Because people have different views on this rushing thing, its kinda iffy on what a rush is. personally, a rush to me is if majority of team is still up and about and u arent anywhere in their sights to where they can save u from a inf pin. In this particular case, at the time of the ban, 7/10 were dead, and that means its 3v10 near the saferoom so a rush would seem ok to me.

 

anyways good gaming, hope u change ur mind and come back.

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Surprised no one is asking this, but why didnt you talk to Chick outside the game/forums? I dont see it mentioned anywhere that you did. If you calmly talked to her about it, should probably would have waiver it.

 

Also if this gets anymore serious please move it to the members only section.

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At the time, I didn't bother saying anything but this seems like a good time to mention a related issue I had. About a month ago I was playing Death Toll and we had mostly newer players. We were down by about 1000 pts, but we got to the choke point with the smokers, and I got a campaign tank and managed to wipe the enemy team there. So we had a legitime opportunity to make up our points if we all got to the safe room. But what happened is that two players on my team proceeded to run through the choke point and rush (and die, incidentally) even before the rest of the team was hurt, while I and the other regulars tried desperately to save the mostly newer players on our team. We failed and the whole team got destroyed there because of those two rushers. One of those two was a new player and the other one was Chick. And the rushing was torally unecessary.

 

We called her out on it but nothing came of it. As a contributing member and regular, in general I love Gcftw and love the community and I've usually seen nothing but the highest professionalism from admins, and I co.mend them for that. But that particular incident really bothered me.

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I'm going to close this. The ban was for fifteen minutes.

 

Our admins have to put up with a lot in game. Swearing, rushing, griefing, afk's, stacking, votes, whatever. It's a thankless job. Nobody ever makes a post saying thanks for the hard work or really anything positive.

 

In the past 5 days our admins have had to issue 37 bans for various reasons. Nobody made a post thanking Maestro for banning somebody for swearing, or Mad for banning a rusher, or Turnbull for banning a TK'er.

 

Of course we're going to back our admins. They put in a lot of hard work to keep the server clean. So, sorry if you feel you were wrongfully banned for 15 minutes. If you feel like GC is no longer someplace for you to play then I wish you the best.

 

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Leon mentioned that the "Of course we're going to back our admins" makes it sound like we're always going to side with admins regardless of right or wrong. What I should have said was "We try to give our admins the benefit of the doubt" in these situations. I apologize for coming off harsh.

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