Banned For Following/Enforcing Rules

[R3D]

4) Stacking/ Team switching to win
What is it: Switching to the winning team or team with more players in order to win
Why is it bad: Makes game less fun for the losing team.
When is it allowed: When an admin switches you or you move from the winning team to the losing team to balance the game

 

The story goes like this. Teams were stacked from the get go, other team is winning like >600 to <100 after the first chapter finishes (this was barge). I loaded into the game at the end of the first chapter. The second chapter starts, we're playing, and the score gets to about >1000 to our still <100 (because we haven't gone yet obviously) with the team counts being the winning survivor team (10) to the losing infected team (8). At this point a player named vex tries to switch teams, from survivor to infected, to and I quote, "move from the winning team to the losing team to balance the game."

 

Vex gets moved back to survivor, keeping the stacked teams. I ask why. Pump says something about people not moving themselves, have an admin do it. I question it, because it was obviously a fair team swap. I argue the case saying that it's just common sense for him to be able to switch. Then I got kicked with the explanation "admin disrespect". I rejoined with the name "AdminAbuse" because I lost 30 points in game with no warning. At the time I got kicked I hadn't sworn, I hadn't called anyone a moron, I was just stating facts that were all true, trying to defend the case of vex switching teams. WE WERE DOWN 1000 POINTS. It's just dumb. I came back in tinkled, pump and I argued more, and I said what I believe was, "No you admins need to pull your heads out of your asses," or something to that effect. I was then obviously banned.

 

Yes it was wrong of me to curse, but I was wrongfully kicked first, for trying to make the game better. It's common sense that the switch should of been allowed. It took me a whole 30 seconds to find the rule above on your main webpage. I get that admins are trying to prevent people from team stacking, or playing infected all day every day, but pay attention. If you're going to kick people make sure it's valid. Make sure the person you're kicking isn't actually trying to have a real discussion of what is happening. You guys need to check your admins, because it seems like several just want to flex their e-muscles all day and kick/ban without validity.

 

-R3D

 

P.S.

The whole team switch thing is moot, considering you can just rejoin the server and be put on the other team. People do that all day and no one says a peep. I find that interesting. Why would one be so heavily enforced and the other no one care about. What if you get disconnected, rejoin, and are on the other team? You shouldn't be allowed to finish the game with your team? The team you've spent the last 30 mins playing with? Food for thought.

[Pumpernickel]

I have seen Vex try to switch teams before. That's why I didn't let him move over. My prior experiences with him are going to trump the need to balance at the moment. Secondly, you came at me with an attitude because I moved him back to his original team. You kept on having the attitude that whole round even after you changed your name and rejoined. I told you to calm down many times and that you were overreacting over a kick.The fact of the matter was, you don't get to decide who gets to move over. You're not an admin and I don't need anyone telling other players who can swap and who can't. You also mentioned something about "being tired of all the bs from admins" and that is why you were sounding so frustrated and I told you to take it to the forums.You got banned for your incessant attitude throughout and then your language right before you left. "You admins need to get your heads out of your asses." The kick was valid; you had an attitude about the swap and took it out on me. That was completely uncalled for.I am open to discussion but not if you're going to join with a name like AdminAbuse, throw around the attitude and try to goad me into locking horns with you.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Pumpernickel

[dessa]

Just want to start off saying sorry about the name, made this account a long time ago before the big thing about swearing came up and I can't find a way to change it.

I myself have also seen Vex try to team hop in the past and have thus seen mods on the servers get onto him about it. He knew he shouldn't have tried to move and knows it. My question is why were you getting mad at Pump? You weren't the one moved back to their original team. There was already a scramble at the beginning of the game, since the scramble people came and went both good players and bad, it happens. IF all of that drama hadn't come up a vote was going to be placed asking to do another scramble. It's a game, you're going to lose some and win some.

Your attitude was a completely valid reason for you to be kicked. Pump was in the right to move Vex back to his original team and YOU sir were in the wrong for not only questioning him on it but trying to start drama after it happened. Multiple people told you that you needed to calm down, myself included. After being kicked you actually had the audacity to come in with the name that you did and then think it's alright to curse? One of the first messages that pops up when you join these servers is that if you curse you can and probably will be kicked or banned. You had already been kicked once then come in with that name and start cursing? What was he supposed to do warn you for a third time? You need to face it you were acting childish over a game and the kick and ban both were needed.

Now as far as people leaving the server and coming back in to be on another team on purpose, if an admin is on the server and it's brought to their attention they're usually put back on the team they were on. And a lot of the time if someone disconnects and comes back in and there's an admin around they're put back on their team and will be given their points back. I know this is the case cause I've had it happen to me multiple times.

[R3D]

"I myself have also seen Vex try to team hop in the past and have thus seen mods on the servers get onto him about it. He knew he shouldn't have tried to move and knows it."

 

If this is true you guys need to change the rules of your server. It's clearly stated that switching is allowed if it's to the losing team.  I would call being down a full chapter's worth of points losing. It's also said at the start that teams are unlocked and what not. The rule should apparently be "No switching teams. If they're uneven an admin will swap whoever they please because we rule the server like dictators." Don't tell me I'm being childish for standing up to so called "authority" when common sense isn't being used. Vex's history is irrelevant when this team swap was actually to the benefit of the server. Not questioning authority figures and falling into this sense of authoritarianism is what makes people like dessadammit here say things like this, "YOU sir were in the wrong for not only questioning him on it."

 

The thing is if vex had just rejoined, it would of put him on the infected team and no one would of said a word. That's what makes this so dumb. That's why I was like wow....really....you're really not going to let him switch.

 

"You're not an admin and I don't need anyone telling other players who can swap and who can't."

 

Be real man....I didn't tell the guy to switch. I just called your malarkey on switching him back and wanted a justification. I was sitting on 30 points and got kicked for debating with an admin. That's the bottom line. Yes I had an attitude AFTER I WAS KICKED. Points are what make the server fun and I lost mine for trying to help make it a better game. Did you even check the teams before you switched vex back? Wouldn't that mean that you technically stacked the teams further? Please explain to me how Pump was in the right for moving vex from a 9v9 game to a 10v8, from the losing team to the winning team.

[PeanutButterNJelly]

I was not there, but as far as "stacking" rules are concerned:

If the teams are 10v8 and the team with 8 players is losing, a player can swap on his own to the losing team and make it 9v9.  If the team with 8 is winning, a player can not move on his own, that is stacking.

 

If a mistake was made, and if an unjustified kick was done, I do not think that makes us dictators, or abusers of power, etc.  In reality, we are people who love the game, the mod, the server and the community it has created.  We give up our time to help out.  We all will make some mistakes, if that is what happened here.

 

If someone thinks an admin has misunderstood the rules, kicked/banned someone they shouldn't, or is really abusing the admin powers, you can report them.  you have the ability to do that through this website.  you can also message another admin or a board member.  Sometimes it might just need some explaining to an admin, or to the person reporting, if they are wrong on the rules.  Sometimes it might require much harsher penalties.  The thing that should not be done is taking out frustrations on the server, whether you think it was before you were kicked or after.  It doesn't solve anything.