lordbaby January 14, 2015 Share lordbaby Member January 14, 2015 Lord STEAM_1:0 :22106185 gamrs.co | !buy 10v10 #1 I played for may be 8 hours on that day without an incident. I push when it is okay to and set back when it is okay to all day long. I checked the banning reason, and johnny said I left 3 players dead. I suppose it is in the tunnel part where there was a tank. We all prepared to fight the tanks, I myself geared up and detected where the tank was going to show up. It turned out to be a super strong tank. I prepared to fight the tank all along till the last of second, until i got an order from the team to run and saw that the incaps bodies have 5 or 6 cars on top or around them. When other teammates are moving at this point, I started to push with them because there is definitely no chance of survival or reviving a bunch of bots and the 1 to 2 players incapped next to the number of cars on a tank that is not on fire or bio alone. They are good as dead in the matter of seconds with the car punching and the other SI ganging on. I notice that for some reason a player did not die later, I'm not sure why but perhaps the tank went afk or the game crashed or points were sent. I think the tank is Gandalf because I saw that he got a skydiver award. But that was a long time after the rest of the team has left. However, a warning before a decision to ban would be appreicated during that situation. I will stand still immediately and let the tank(s) and cars to destroy me without a problem. I feel sorry for the bots and players that are killed. If you can take the full context into consideration, I am definitely innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButterNJelly January 14, 2015 Share PeanutButterNJelly GC Alumni January 14, 2015 I have asked Johnny to look at this, since he banned you. You need to be careful in the future. This is your 3rd ban for rushing. I would recommend not taking any chances on doing anything that can be viewed as rushing in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny January 14, 2015 Share Johnny Member January 14, 2015 Welcome back to the forums! The tank spawn and killed 2 bots immediately. Then he incapped 3 players: two were mains - Gorugut and Yakuza, and raindydays. During these few seconds, you guys ( yourself, Paintball and Miulus) were already beginning to rush far ahead of the rest of the incaps, and then Paintball and only Paintball said "Just Run." One person does not give consent for the rest to run and leave behind 3 players to die, including two mains. Paintball is not the team, and the incaps didn't agree to the rush. You should've stayed with your team and helped them out. Instead, you three rushed and left Yakuza, Gorrugut, rainydays, and contributed to the deaths of the two bots following you. Lordbaby, only you made it to the saferoom, and you are not a main. Yes, you are expected to stay and die if need be to save your incapped team mates, and especially if they are the mains. Rushing is only allowed if you are the last 1 or two alive/not incapped, OR team consent to rush. Warnings are not required. You and Paintball have played way long enough and know the rules. You yourself have previous bans for rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EliteGandalf January 14, 2015 Share EliteGandalf Member January 14, 2015 I do not want to cause a big fuss about about this, but i must admit my conscious compels me to say something. I believe the campaign was "Death Toll" and we were on map 1. Correct me if i'm wrong. The map starts with cars on a highway, a broken bridge, and two ladders on either side right before the tunnel. This is a tough map to play even when there are a lot of regulars on. Needless to say... There were not a lot of regulars on. Lord was on the survivor team and I was on the infected team "just how i like it". I land 3 out of 4 "12.5" pounces on noobs before their team has finished climbing the ladder. "I do not mean to gloat btw.. Just telling the story." By the time the team makes their way into the tunnel I have 80pts give or take. I spawned the tank above the tunnel right after the survivors went when in to cut them off. I slapped the first car right outside the entrance of the tunnel and incapped 4 with one hit. Do keep in mind it was late.. And there were bots in the game. I can not remember how many bots were in the game or incapped at this time. Granted this did not happen yesterday.. While i'm positioning myself behind the car that i just hit i see 3 survivors standing a ways down the tunnel shooting at me.. I figure they are the regulars or have sense enough not to charge a tank that has multiple cars in a tight area. A bot goes to pick up one of the survivors and at that moment.. I decide not to chase survivors that are up, but to go for kills. 5 incapped survivors make for a lot of points and insure the round is over. At the same instance after I hit the car the second time, incapped the bot that trying to help survivors, and damage those already down... As i moved behind the car to hit it a third time I can see the three that are up booking it. I literally "lmao"!!! It made sense to me... Of course I'm not sure what I would've done at that time. If I was a main I would run... If not... I guess I'd just die fighting.. But that would be my decision.. I didn't think you would make people die when it is hopeless... But anyways. Let the story continue. As i'm killing the incaps there were two survivors in the back that I didn't kill. I can not say for sure what or who was killing them, but they were incapped by special infected. After I kill the five I start the chase. I figure they will die before I catch up. As I'm moving i can see my team in ghost mode chasing the 3 down, trying to get in front. 2 of the remaining survivors get boomed around the top of the staircase at the end of the tunnel. At this moment I smile inside lmao kind of like this > I know I'm going to catch them. The back two survivors end up getting pounced on the staircase, but the one farther done gets cleared. That was the last act of teamwork for the survivor team.. The person in front books it and the 2nd to last survivor gets boomed again after they have made it down the stair and about through that open room... like at very end of the room... near the stairs leading out. As this boom happens I'm finally entering the room at the base of the stairs. At this moment I get this a message saying that i'm a being warned by an admin about rushing. It was warning 1/3. I type in chat literally "wth johnny... I'm infected how can i rush?" In the same instance serveral others from both teams are saying things of like manner. They were not as rude as I. But anyways... By the time i make over to this doomed survivor he is incapped by special infected. I can not recall what exactly what had him capped. But I can see a survivor made it to safe room. This person is to far away for me to see a name. After this my team plays survivors get rekt by the tunnel and I leave. Later on that night Lord informs that she was banned for rushing. So I told her I'd keep the game on my mind and post in her unban request. Nothing would've made me more happy than to have wiped the team... But this is L4D2.. Not checkers. From game to game it varies. If you make the three that were "human" come back to pick up.. How are they any different from the bot that tries to make pick up survivors in my face. That's from the man who tanked himself as I saw it. I do not mean to insult any. Johnny is a great admin. I am sure every player in then saw things their way. To many sides, but as a member on the infected team, and as the guy that tanked and murdered them. I don't feel like they rushed. Send points is about all they could do... Love the server. Love causing this in game confusion. Love making people rage. Especially noobs. Would rather not see regulars kicked or banned for making a judgment call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellsBells January 14, 2015 Share HellsBells Member January 14, 2015 (edited) You rushed to the safe with Paintball and a new player, the only one who kept saying in mic to rush was Paint. The tank spawn as soon as we enter the tunnel, half team was bots, those that only me and rainy struggled to keep them moving with team because they kept getting pulled and charged as per myself, while the 3 of you comfortable sit in front telling us to leave them and move faster. I dont leave bots unless they in unsaveable spot, since bots are the easiest to farm point on. Also as soon as Gandalf got his achievement, you jokingly said not allowed to buy tank or you leave the game (but you did not). The reason why his cars seperated team was you 3 were in front the whole map, the cars in front aren't hitable, so of course the ppl limping in the back would get hit first. Take a look at one of Johnny screenshot, me with orange hp inside the room with a tank approaching, 3 bodies incapped in the floor right behind, and in the far distance the silhouettes of green HP survivors running. To reach that far away is only possible if you guys ran for it as soon as he spawned. I myself and rainy was only hit once by cars then he went to chase the front. During that time until you reached the safe, locked yourself in, and exchange remarks with Elite (BTW is Allowed to call each other "scum"?) , sth about him not able to catch you, no point was sent to the 2 of us, I sent all my 3 pt to rain and he bought pill, revived me, then we got caught by SI right after. Let's say its not a good idea to go pick us up while a tank is alive with cars, the least you could do was either buy molly or help shoot him. I asked Johny to ban the rushers, in his screenshots the opposite team also refered to you guys as rushers. The next map, Johnny was gone , right before we reached safe a tank was bought, and I see you again with 2 players ran n lock yourself in. The rest of team fought and killed the tank with only 1 death. Right then Johnny came back again, and only then you came outside to help. I even asked you did you came out cus tank dead or admin on, no response of course, besides 9er sarcastically said both. Tactically rushing is allowed with the blessing of the team. Turning tail and ran as soon as you see trouble isn't team work, it's called selfish. So no , you aren't innocent. Edited January 14, 2015 by CHARON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordbaby January 14, 2015 Author Share lordbaby Member January 14, 2015 You rushed to the safe with Paintball and a new player, the only one who kept saying in mic to rush was Paint. The tank spawn as soon as we enter the tunnel, half team was bots, those that only me and rainy struggled to keep them moving with team because they kept getting pulled and charged as per myself, while the 3 of you comfortable sit in front telling us to leave them and move faster. I dont leave bots unless they in unsaveable spot, since bots are the easiest to farm point on. Also as soon as Gandalf got his achievement, you jokingly said not allowed to buy tank or you leave the game (but you did not). The reason why his cars seperated team was you 3 were in front the whole map, the cars in front aren't hitable, so of course the ppl limping in the back would get hit first. Take a look at one of Johnny screenshot, me with orange hp inside the room with a tank approaching, 3 bodies incapped in the floor right behind, and in the far distance the silhouettes of green HP survivors running. To reach that far away is only possible if you guys ran for it as soon as he spawned. I myself and rainy was only hit once by cars then he went to chase the front. During that time until you reached the safe, locked yourself in, and exchange remarks with Elite (BTW is Allowed to call each other "scum"?) , sth about him not able to catch you, no point was sent to the 2 of us, I sent all my 3 pt to rain and he bought pill, revived me, then we got caught by SI right after. Let's say its not a good idea to go pick us up while a tank is alive with cars, the least you could do was either buy molly or help shoot him. I asked Johny to ban the rushers, in his screenshots the opposite team also refered to you guys as rushers. The next map, Johnny was gone , right before we reached safe a tank was bought, and I see you again with 2 players ran n lock yourself in. The rest of team fought and killed the tank with only 1 death. Right then Johnny came back again, and only then you came outside to help. I even asked you did you came out cus tank dead or admin on, no response of course, besides 9er sarcastically said both. Tactically rushing is allowed with the blessing of the team. Turning tail and ran as soon as you see trouble isn't team work, it's called selfish. So no , you aren't innocent. Let me start off with an apology that you were killed. You might be against me for certain reasons, but I assure you I am not against you. I normally do not reply to a bias opinion, especially when you are the one who died in this case, a party directly and inherently has an interest against me. I understand that you could be angry with this, but please don't turn your anger to a fellow teammate. Besides, I want to be friendly but as much as I hate to say this, most players who played here long enough know you like to grief on a lot of players, including admins publicly or privately. I found this out quickly, even I do not technically play here longer than most regulars because I personally see you criticize and bad mouth other players always, even when in fact nothing really out of the norm happens. I know you could be offended when I point this out, but it is merely the impression many have. Everything you accuse me are not just bias but fake. And screenshots or even demo dont tell the whole story in "judgement call" like this, but thanks for the attempt and bringing it up, because now I know I should invite rainy and 9er as witnesses and add their opinions. At last, I suggest you to stop provoking other players frequently and now me, but it is up to you to continue to act inapproiately. I believe our conversation for this matter ends here because your opinion do not legitimately add to the entirety and we have a direct conflict of interest against each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordbaby January 14, 2015 Author Share lordbaby Member January 14, 2015 I left a message to rainy and 9er. I cannot promise they will come, as everyone has their busy schedule, but hopefully they can make it. I understand this could go on until after the ban expire, but I still believe the gc system and would like to plead not guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButterNJelly January 14, 2015 Share PeanutButterNJelly GC Alumni January 14, 2015 This is not the place for the GC community to debate rushing. You have been banned 3 times for rushing, so my first suggestion is that you be very careful about anything that can be considered rushing in the future. As far as whether or not this is justified rushing, I believe Johnny has a demo of the entire thing, and I am asking him to it give to me tonight so i can see it. I am closing this topic for now and will post again after watching it. If anyone would like to debate when to rush or just ask when it is okay to rush, please go to our general L4D2 forum area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButterNJelly January 14, 2015 Share PeanutButterNJelly GC Alumni January 14, 2015 I watched the demo of this situation. Tank spawns in a good tank spot, near the beginning of the map, incaps some survivors with good car work, then almost immediately some players rush the entire map for the saferoom, leaving others incapped in the back. This is rushing, blatantly. There is no reason to immediately run because one tank spawns and incaps some of your team. I will not spend any more time on this. Jackie also watched it and agreed, this is not justified rushing. Another note, just because 1 (or even more) people tell you to rush, does not make it right. It is still your responsibility to make sure the rushing is justified. Again, my suggestion to you is to not do anything that can get you banned for rushing again. You have 3 bans for it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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