JackieChan March 26, 2015 Share JackieChan March 26, 2015 I'm just curious on the feedback on the 2 new additions to the buy plugin. Let me know your thoughts on it. Figured I'd make a poll topic instead of posting in the update notes thread. (As usual, I abstained from voting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercman March 26, 2015 Share Mercman March 26, 2015 I dont really know what the multikill is but the spawn timer maybe it was me i think maybe it should be 5 seconds for 30 points. I couldnt tell any difference with the 2 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan March 26, 2015 Author Share JackieChan March 26, 2015 The way the spawn timer works is that it operates on a minimum/maximum time and the amount of human players occupy the infected team. For the sake of things, let's say that we're talking about a full server in this situation. In this case, the spawn timer for an infected player who died would be anywhere between 15 to 20 seconds in length (default settings on the server). I believe the time the game gives you to spawn in depends on how long the infected player has been alive for and how frequently they have died. If a player dies fast each time they spawn in, their timer will be closer to the maximum spawn time (20 seconds) as opposed to the minimum spawn time (15 seconds). Anyway, the minimum time you see when you're able to fly around waiting to respawn in is going to be "14" seconds or a "for real" time of 15 seconds because the words "Entering Spawn Mode..." counts as 1 second. With the upgrade purchased, you'll get a "for real" spawn time of 13 to 18 seconds (12 to 17 seconds by what he game tells you). Yes shorter, but in most cases, not noticeable because the "in between" time falls in the same area as the default settings. ...Hope that made sense. Also, the multikill stuff is outlined in the buy plugin/server update notes thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPG1770 March 26, 2015 Share MPG1770 March 26, 2015 (edited) Where is the Option to not have this? (abstained) Playing on a full server yesterday, infected were spawning in within 5 or 6 secs. We should really scrap this 'timer' one altogether - it's just going to mean that survivors will die faster and more tanks within a quicker time frame. Edited March 26, 2015 by MPG1770 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anzul March 26, 2015 Share anzul March 26, 2015 30 points for 2 seconds less sounds goof to me. havent cheked out that one yet, maestro might be onto something there. and multikill should be 0.75 points whithing 2 seconds. botlenecks are now farming spots for survivors lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny March 26, 2015 Share Johnny March 26, 2015 (edited) For relatively even teams, the reduced spawn time is not noticeable. But it's too early to tell. Edited March 26, 2015 by MeJohnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tainted92 March 26, 2015 Share tainted92 March 26, 2015 I'm fairly happy with the multikill as it is, I haven't had the chance to get a triple kill yet, so it's just 1 extra point every once in a while, not such a noticeable difference that I think it needs changing, but a nice addition anyway In terms of the spawn timer, I think I'd like it more at about 25 points rather than 30, people seem to buy witches and other such upgrades first rather than this, and it'd make it that bit more appealing to buy, but I can understand if it's left as it is because I haven't seen the full use of it yet in a full game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerkoff March 26, 2015 Share Jerkoff March 26, 2015 It doesn't have anything to do with the reduce timer that the infected team get to spawn "fast" Maestro. What happen most of the time is that the infected team has a good rotation respawn timer, so it seems endless when they attack relentlessly with spitters since that's the best class to buy time with. That's why the multi-kill implementation is a good idea to offset this buff for the infected, a faster respawn timer means better chances of multi-kills for the survivor. Although I opt for lower points on multi-kill and I don't like saying this but the good players will benefit mainly from this. If you know you're a average SI kill player, your chances of multi-kill vary around 2-4 times in a map? This is the issue with survivors that I find to be a main problem, where the new perks are beneficial to a few selected players compare to the perk that infected got which benefits everyone. Not trying to water down the idea of Multi-kill, I find it to be a great implementation. Just perhaps something that promotes more teamwork than Glory Hog our server are slowly trending to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan March 26, 2015 Author Share JackieChan March 26, 2015 At times, I prefer adding a couple minor things and then gauging people's opinions on them and going from there. Also, the only time you'll ever see SI spawn within 5-6 seconds is if there aren't a lot of human SI players. My earlier post already explains this. When testing stuff out on our Test Server, I get a 2 second spawn timer. If an admin is ever in spec and opens the !spechud, they'll see what each player's "real" spawn time is. Although I opt for lower points on multi-kill and I don't like saying this but the good players will benefit mainly from this. If you know you're a average SI kill player, your chances of multi-kill vary around 2-4 times in a map? This is the issue with survivors that I find to be a main problem, where the new perks are beneficial to a few selected players compare to the perk that infected got which benefits everyone. Not trying to water down the idea of Multi-kill, I find it to be a great implementation. Just perhaps something that promotes more teamwork than Glory Hog our server are slowly trending to. I'm up for lowering the multi-kill award. I just made it what it was at the time of coding it because it was just easier. What would you recommend as an addition that would promote more teamwork? There is only so much one could suggest before we get into "ridiculous" territory like those other 10v10 servers you see out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osprey22 March 26, 2015 Share Osprey22 March 26, 2015 Where is the Option to not have this? (abstained) Playing on a full server yesterday, infected were spawning in within 5 or 6 secs. We should really scrap this 'timer' one altogether - it's just going to mean that survivors will die faster and more tanks within a quicker time frame. With Maestro on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButterNJelly March 27, 2015 Share PeanutButterNJelly March 27, 2015 I like both things, the timer reduction and the multi kill bonus. One thing benefits infected, one for survivor. The timer can't be 5 or 6 secs if the server is full thought right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerkoff March 27, 2015 Share Jerkoff March 27, 2015 Not possible as explained by Jackie. To get that low respawn timer, you would have to be playing in a server of less than 8 survivors? Like I mention before, it's most likely the infected is on a good rotation respawn timer. Infected 1: 15 second to respawn Infected 2: 7 second to respawn Infected 3: 3 second to respawn Now that's a good rotation of infected respawn timer, each one of them spitting and delaying the advance/incapped another 5 seconds. Once infected player dies, the next infected player spawns and goes in and repeats. Typically we see the infected doesn't work together and they all die around the same time, thus their respawn timer is very close to each other. Most noticeably during the beginning of the saferoom exit. Currently emtpy on ideas right now...we should just roll along with what we have so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercman March 27, 2015 Share Mercman March 27, 2015 (edited) ------------------>moving smokers<------------------------- The infected timer, what about a 1 % decrease for every 10 points up to 5%???? Edited March 27, 2015 by Mercman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignis March 27, 2015 Share Ignis March 27, 2015 (edited) I like the idea of a percentage decrease for the spawn timer just maybe have it cost a bit more and have it move to a max of 10%. The multikill seems perfectly fine to me I have yet to see anyone go crazy with it. I personally get about 2-5 points a round for it so it's not incredibly over powered. ------------------>moving smokers<------------------------- If this happens I might quit gc. Moving smokers are wwayyyyyyy too op and an incredible pain to kill. Edited March 27, 2015 by Ignis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Architect March 27, 2015 Share Architect March 27, 2015 ------------------>moving smokers<------------------------- The infected timer, what about a 1 % decrease for every 10 points up to 5%???? Problem with that is 1% of 100 seconds is 1 second. The change would not registr took at least 4-5%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Architect March 27, 2015 Share Architect March 27, 2015 I like the idea of a percentage decrease for the spawn timer just maybe have it cost a bit more and have it move to a max of 10%. The multikill seems perfectly fine to me I have yet to see anyone go crazy with it. I personally get about 2-5 points a round for it so it's not incredibly over powered. ------------------>moving smokers<------------------------- If this happens I might quit gc. Moving smokers are wwayyyyyyy to op and an incredible pain to kill. Agreed. I played on servers with moving smokers and jumping jockeys. Very bad idea. Throws the whole game off. Way to over powered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madvillain March 27, 2015 Share Madvillain March 27, 2015 ------------------>moving smokers<------------------------- I agree with everyone else on I don't want to see this, sorry Merc, but what about giving the smokers a little more HP?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tainted92 March 27, 2015 Share tainted92 March 27, 2015 (edited) I like the idea of a percentage decrease for the spawn timer just maybe have it cost a bit more and have it move to a max of 10%. The multikill seems perfectly fine to me I have yet to see anyone go crazy with it. I personally get about 2-5 points a round for it so it's not incredibly over powered. ------------------>moving smokers<-------------------------If this happens I might quit gc. Moving smokers are wwayyyyyyy to op and an incredible pain to kill. Agreed. I played on servers with moving smokers and jumping jockeys. Very bad idea. Throws the whole game off. Way to over powered. No moving smokers, no jumping jockeys. That's like when chargers can move and change directions while charging, it's game-breaking Edited March 27, 2015 by tainted92 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test March 27, 2015 Share Test March 27, 2015 (edited) ^ You are missing something. Boomer explode damage. . Edited March 27, 2015 by TestCharacter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Architect March 27, 2015 Share Architect March 27, 2015 ^ You are missing something. Boomer explode damage. . Or alternatively I have seen exploding boomers extinguish tanks that are on fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpernickel March 27, 2015 Share Pumpernickel March 27, 2015 ^ You are missing something. Boomer explode damage. . Or alternatively I have seen exploding boomers extinguish tanks that are on fire. That actually makes sense. What about decreased stun time for smokers so they're not just gawking at you awkwardly after getting their tongue cut? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test March 27, 2015 Share Test March 27, 2015 What about spitter invulnerability for like 1-2 seconds after spit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Architect March 27, 2015 Share Architect March 27, 2015 HEY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tainted92 March 27, 2015 Share tainted92 March 27, 2015 Took ya a minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiXie March 27, 2015 Share DiXie March 27, 2015 What about spitter invulnerability for like 1-2 seconds after spit. No, we want spitters to die as soon as possible after they spit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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