Deadstop Training and Practice Not Allowed important

[JackieChan]

Admins are not, or should not in any case, assume someone is doing one thing apart from another just by observing them for 5 seconds and taking action that fast.  Usually just "admiring the view" vs deadstopping is pretty distinguishable.  Once an admin is able to discern what a player is doing through observation, a proper recourse should be taken.  Besides, if people are "admiring the view" in a game that's 7 years old, maybe they should be playing a game that doesn't look as bland as L4D2 does...maybe that's me though.  I can't personally think of any view that's worth admiring unless it's Peanut getting pounced on.

[Vilkys]

Admins are not, or should not in any case, assume someone is doing one thing apart from another just by observing them for 5 seconds and taking action that fast.  Usually just "admiring the view" vs deadstopping is pretty distinguishable.  Once an admin is able to discern what a player is doing through observation, a proper recourse should be taken.  Besides, if people are "admiring the view" in a game that's 7 years old, maybe they should be playing a game that doesn't look as bland as L4D2 does...maybe that's me though.  I can't personally think of any view that's worth admiring unless it's Peanut getting pounced on.

 

By "admiring the view" I mean they stand still looking around doing nothing but get pounced, just not on purpose.

 

 

 

Also, I want to know if admins are obligated to put up a skip vote if people ask for it regardless of the score.

[JackieChan]

If people are going to be standing still not doing anything I could see a couple things happening:

-Other players will tell that person to keep up with the rest of the group/go under cover/stay near the middle/front of the group

-Other players will think they are griefing and some kind of action would be taken.  Either they'll be auto-kicked for being AFK (if the plugin finds them to be), an admin will kick them under the assumption of being AFK, or if no admin is present, players would votekick the player out (assuming that still works).  You'd have to be "admiring the view" for a pretty short amount of time before other players would start to question what the heck that person is doing.  You can never not be doing nothing in something as hectic as a 10v10.  In the situation if said player is keeping up with the group, but is constantly being pounced on, that would be more-so categorized as "can't kick someone because of skill".  If that still doesn't answer your question, you'll have to be more specific.

 

Admins can throw up a vote if the general consensus wants to skip a finale regardless of score.  It's up to the admin to actually do it.  They're not obligated to do it, but protocol on finale skipping should be followed even if an admin is the sole person not wanting to skip.

[Vilkys]

No, that cleared things up.

 

 

Admins can throw up a vote if the general consensus wants to skip a finale regardless of score.  It's up to the admin to actually do it.  They're not obligated to do it, but protocol on finale skipping should be followed even if an admin is the sole person not wanting to skip.

 

You said if people ask, but then you also say it's up to the admin to put up the vote or not. The latter makes it feels like people shouldn't ask for skip vote at all since it's up to the admin whether he wants to skip or not.

You say you have protocol to follow, but again its up to the admin.

[MPG1770]

It's only up to the admin to deliver a skip-vote if requested by the majority of the losing team if it's unwinnable.

[JackieChan]

It's only up to the admin to deliver a skip-vote if requested by the majority of the losing team if it's unwinnable.

It's actually if the general consensus wants to skip OR the majority of the losing team wants to skip.

 

You said if people ask, but then you also say it's up to the admin to put up the vote or not. The latter makes it feels like people shouldn't ask for skip vote at all since it's up to the admin whether he wants to skip or not. You say you have protocol to follow, but again its up to the admin.

It's like if people are saying "can we kick this rusher/griefer/etc.", as bad as it sounds, an admin is not "obligated" to kick anyone, but they should be kicking offending players.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that admins aren't robots.  They make mistakes.  They have to use their best judgement to tell if conditions are met according to protocol.  If you see someone stealing something, are you obligated to turn them in?  Sure...but it's ultimately up to you whether or not you actually do it.

[zincpusher]

It's actually if the general consensus wants to skip OR the majority of the losing team wants to skip.  

 

idk if anyone else has heard otherwise, but in a lot of games i've played where the general consensus wanted to skip (from typing in chat and talking on mic), it was deemed by certain admins that they're not allowed skip because it's still winnable on both sides. i'm not encouraging skipping or not skipping, just stating what i observed.

Edited February 6, 2016 by zincpusher

[Test]

 

It's actually if the general consensus wants to skip OR the majority of the losing team wants to skip.  

 

idk if anyone else has heard otherwise, but in a lot of games i've played where the general consensus wanted to skip (from typing in chat and talking on mic), it was deemed by certain admins that they're not allowed skip because it's still winnable on both sides. i'm not encouraging skipping or not skipping, just stating what i observed.

 

 

Observed this too.. sometimes some admins just leave the game at the finale when people are asking for skipvote.

Edited February 6, 2016 by TestCharacter

[Madvillain]

I did not know that skipvotes were part of deadstopping.... interesting.

[MasterTalpa]

I did not know that skipvotes were part of deadstopping.... interesting.

lol. i dont even know who this mad villain guy is