inexion

can anyone unban me please? i've got a little time before school starts to play a bit here - other than that though, whats up =/

0:0:3585725

m2 smells

cough

get me on there

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an as you can see here loss of 100% 5 mins later with pathping

I dont even hit the L3 servers, thats a problem with you mid/central west people?

again I apologize, sorry about all that - heres my magic number: 0_0:3585725

arigatou-gozaimasu

I kicked you for the drug talk because I had put in console "no more drug talk" and you continued anyway.  I banned you for your lame comment.

 

Your next move is to suggest that I am looking for a reason to ban you or that I am harbouring some type of ill will?  Then you accuse me of abusing my "power", the ban stays until you adjust your attitude.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ahh I never even noticed your "no more drug talk" thingy so that explains the kick, I would hope your not harbouring any ill will, I just want everything to be nice and happy and I guess you took what I said too seriously, so if it did offend you I apologize of course, it just caught me off guard =/ So all in all chalk up another win for mis-communication, sorry that had to happen

hey guys -

I was banned approx 11:30pm on sat jun 18 from the midwest stock server by an unknown administrator, for an unknown reason. I was engaged in a coversation with another player who had said something to the effect of mr. garrison from south park - "drugs are bad", so I commented back with "I do drugs, lots of drugs" and I was kicked - so I re entered and said "what a lame kick" and then I get banned. I believe it was shodan who did this, hes been looking for a reason to kick/ban me for a few weeks for an unknown reason and I think he thought this was his opportunity to do it? I dont know what his problem is but this is certainly an abuse of his power and disrespectful as well since he knew very willingly that I was playing around like always, so he just had to take it to the edge I guess. If i'm banned i'm banned I guess, thanks for the good times on your server =]

- inexion

Hey guys sorry I havent responded for a while, its finals week and im going insane =[

But anyways to make a long story short and to make a silly argument go away, the point of this paper again was not 'Anti-American' slander, it was this :

To present some factual events to get your opinions on them. It wasnt to point out all the bad things our government has done, Im not focusing on any entity etc.... I just thought you might be interested in seeing some of these things, so theres the end of it for me, I know why I posted it, and im happy.....So ill be posting more interesting stuff later on (AFTER FINALS!!!!) and its not going to be happy mushy stuff really, just things to make you think =p

I had a very nice time debating with you all and hope we can do it again soon, as I resign from this thread!!

Aww gross the executive power table thingy looks all crappy - Just check the link lol , oh well

Everything I can find on CIA operation PBFORTUNE does nto indicate they replaced Arbenz, just helped remove him from office

In 1954 the CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz of Guatemala in a military coup

Notice the underlined words

As far as Mossadegh goes

My paper was focused on that brief moment of one week, in which the shah fled to Italy, and Mossadegh's power superceded all authority, after which The shah returned with the help of the US and British aid. In which

He was quickly escorted back to power and fired Mossadegh through a counter coup, led by General Fazlollah Zahedi, which was supported by the American CIA and Britain's SIS (MI6).

The Vietnam War was not the fault of the CIA hehe...at least not that alone

Oh yeah not at all, but thats another humungo topic for another day.

The definition of incite:

in·cite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-st)

tr.v. in·cit·ed, in·cit·ing, in·cites

To provoke and urge on: troublemakers who incite riots; inciting workers to strike.

And yes they did very well have their hands involved :

Yet Washington's role in the Hungarian revolution soon became mired in controversy. One of the most successful weapons in the East-West battle for the hearts and minds of Eastern Europe was the CIA-administered Radio Free Europe. But in the wake of the uprising, RFE's broadcasts into Hungary sometimes took on a much more aggressive tone, encouraging the rebels to believe that Western support was imminent, and even giving tactical advice on how to fight the Soviets. The hopes that were raised, then dashed, by these broadcasts cast an even darker shadow over the Hungarian tragedy that leaves many Hungarians embittered to this day.

You can find the entire article Here

You are definitely right about Trujillo, here was my source:

Here

Oh and soul... =/

So if to be American means, to accept every single action carried out by the goverment in all its aspects, to never question, barrade, or belittle them, and to go further by protecting and defending them through any means which appear logically correct is complete and utter ignorance, and should be fully realized and abolsihed.

Nope - never said that either, gg.

So that means my paper is not 'Anti-American' in anyway then, unless you contridicted yourself there.....?

To ZD:

This type of statement tells me that the author knows little about the military and the idea that it acts on its own. It is a tool of the government.

Careful about contridictions in your statements, the military has never and will never have the authorization to act on its own without the right to do so from executive powers such as:

Under the United States Constitution, the President of the United States is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. To coordinate military action with diplomatic action, the President has an advisory National Security Council.

Under the President is the United States Secretary of Defense, a Cabinet Secretary responsible for the Department of Defense.

Both the President and Secretary are advised by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

In accordance with the Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986 (which fundamentally changed the organisation of the Department) the 4 Service Chiefs together with the Chairman and Vice Chairman form the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

However operational control flows from the President and Secretary of Defense to the Commanders of the Unified Combatant Commands. (see Goldwater-Nichols Act)

Each service is responsible for providing military units to the commanders of the various Unified Commands.

LOOK HERE FOR THE CHART

In which your statement would seem to me that you have been mislead as to how our military functions.

This is why your paper has an Anti-American slant to it in my opinion. You put the blame on the country as a whole rather than individuals in power, etc. You base your image of the country on possible real life events caused by individuals, most not of this country. This is where your paper is flawed and heavily scewered towards anti-americanism. You start this paper with an anti-american paragraph, you already made up your mind on this country. You are now digging for things to back up your belief, nothing more. You ignored the many many more positives in order to back up your "shame" for the U.S.

Yet again, so your telling me that, I shouldnt be upset with America for its actions, even though agents acting directly under executive authority who govern the entire nation give orders such as the ones stated in my paper, and that those agents should be considered individually for their actions, since the people giving them orders are the ones we democratically elect and therefore represent our country? Thats pretty extreme I would have to say.

The simple fact is and still remains that this paper is a simple display of events assembled from facts gathered from various sources and presented to you and others to collect opinions on those actions........It has nothing to do with being 'Anti-American' (Whatever that means to you), or the latter. And the opening paragraph's rhetoric has nothing to do with being 'Anti-American' either, it sure does say "America the hypocrite?" doesnt it? If you read the first sentence it is asking a question, "Have you ever thought?"....And so your telling me youve never ever ever questioned the actions of our country at one point or another in its history? Is that why you consider yourself such an "American", for being so accepting? Im confused here, clarify for meh!

Zero, I dont know about you, but I love this country its great, no where else on earth could I do some of things I can here. But it still bothers me that my country was directly, or indirectly involved in nearly 10 million deaths, whether they were responsible or not, its still disturbing! I dont know how you feel about that, but Im pretty ashamed of my country for ever being involved.

Soul, will you answer the two questions that zero wouldnt? =/

Thanks for reading it finally, and no its not intended to skew your view of America, its just intended to open a window so you can see a slightly more detailed view of our country and how it has intertwined itself in other countries business.

And as for the numbers, here is where they came from:

Iran - Iraq War : 1980-88

Iran-Iraq War

Iran - Mossadegh

Very misleading. It was the CIA and MI6. It was after Mossadegh declared Britain and enemy and cut all ties with the country and was heading for a relationship with the Soviet Union. It was also not Pahlevi who replaced him, it was General Fazlollah Zahedi.

Once again, massive protests broke out across the nation. Anti- and pro-monarchy protestors violently clashed in the streets, leaving almost 300 dead. Funded with money from the U.S. CIA and the British MI6, the pro-monarchy forces quickly gained the upper hand. The military intervened as the pro-Shah tank regiments stormed the capital and bombarded the prime minister's official residence. Mossadegh surrendered, and was arrested on August 19, 1953.

 

One of the leaders of the coup, General Fazlollah Zahedi, was proclaimed Prime Minister. The Shah himself, after a brief exile in Italy, was rushed back to Iran and returned to the throne. His attempted overthrow and subsequent restoration to power had all occurred within a week.

Duvalier and Haiti -

They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign

Haiti - Duvalier Family

Keep in mind there were 2 Duvaliers, and that number was an average of their reigns

Thank you much

Hehe, geeee thanks sanders! j/k =] Poo happens, ce la vie, right? No sweat - cya in a bit i hope? =/

Ahh sorry

Um well, we were playing on piranesi, it was just about the end of the map, and the last thing I typed was "I cant feel my brain that was so stupid" in reference to some guy who ran up behind me as always and killed me.....Then *kicked and banned* So......yeah...... Steam id is 3585725 - and hopefully someone will give me clarity here?

Okie dokie

As I've said above, you may wish to edit your first post and add those along with your 100 year old book as sources for your 56 million claim

That is not a claim at all, its part of a bibliography, its some book a guy wrote and that was the claim of the book and title, so....its just in the bibliography as a reference to some death number some where some how.......... It has nothing to do with my writings or beliefs, its just in the bibliography, take it up with the guy who wrote it lol cause it has nothing to do with anything in my post in the least.

You want to become more aware of your country?

Yeah I do, whats wrong with learning the history I never learned in school? Do you think I should be denied the right to know these things?

Do not be another statistic and end up on my ignore list. Correct your past mistakes now while you still can. Take back the insults about my morals, about me being a coward, being immature and I will no longer think you a troll.

Fair is fair, and I admit that attacking your morals was wrong, and I apologize - were getting off track and I was just frustrated that you werent getting the picture and trying to steer the focus away from the actual paper, which is really just a long string of factual events, without bias....they were taken as they were given and I wrote about them simple as that.

Banned from recrud server, no reason what so ever - help

Maybe you should go back and fix your first post then. According to what you said, the 56 million is from that one source, I saw nothing there about those others.

*Opens eyes*

Wow look theres a humungo list of sources, could that be the 'other' source, meaning bibliography of the Death Toll Atlas of the Twentieth Century which ive stated more than 3 times now!

As for everything else, I am quite sure you are here to troll responses from Conservatives

Conservatives, no....

People, Human beings, YES YES YES! Of course I want responses thats the meaning of a forum is it not?

Stop labeling yourself like that its meaningless, the only thing that matters is what you believe in. That tag is just a cliche as any other, you might as well say poke-a-dotted-aliens.

wasted more than enough of my time on such ridiculous posts as this

Waste of time? And so your telling me that THIS and THIS are not a waste of time? Personally Id rather learn about atrocities my country was involved in, become more aware of my country, to better understand it. What is so absolutely ridiculous about this? Im not sure I understand your point of view since you never answered those two simple questions.......

Its just hard for me to understand why you act so stubborn over such a simple thing, and then refuse to respond because you think I am trying to get a turn out of you, and then decide to quit on me.......Where are your morals, running away? I dont want you to reveal the secret of the universe or the conservative way, my entire family are republicans I know how they all work, so stop being immature and get into this debate already!

If I could count the number of times I've seen such bs articles all over the internet in forums here and there that someone wrote up for school with these sources, most of them suspicous from the get go (56 million deaths) and that is supposed to make your paper valid. I laught at such things. I do not have the time nor would I make the time to waste on responding to such trash.

So anyways, this is research paper I wrote for school, and if you bothered to read anything but the things that offend or oppose your own beliefs (56 million deaths), you would notice that the '56 million death' thing is a small part of a larger source that includes other sources such as Wikipedia, Encyclopeadia Britannica, The Cambridge Encyclopedia, Compton's Encyclopedia Online, DoD: United States Department of Defense, and Microsoft Encarta, which are all obviously 'Anti-American' establishments who mean to undermine the likes of people such as yourself and America, right?

And you still should answer those questions for me I really want to hear your opinion unless your scared to reveal something about yourself, which I can take for an answer as well.

Hey zero,

Could you do me a favor, please reffer back to post #14 and thoroughly read the entire post, and then afterwards, answer for me if you would the first two questions I posed.

Heh all too true

i think your paper suffers from what many papers do, a lack of space for the full amount of information needed

However,

This paper is by no means the holy grail of American history...... It is meant to be a primer for starting your brain to question the decisions and actions of a government. You wont find every single detail down to names for each and every event, but you will find the main conflict/resolution. If any of these interest you, I suggest heavily to research them further as I have

=]

I could write a book about this, Id love to heh - but yeah thanks for your comments though, much appreciated, you dirty thief lol! j/k

hmm

Ok, here we go -

1.] The question of "being American"

What is it that makes someone or something "American"?

And What makes someone or something "Anti-American"?

In the purest sense of the term to be, or existing, the phrase 'to be American' stands for one thing, and one thing only. To be existing as a legal citizen of the United States of America. Any other sense of the phrase 'to be American' is purely assessment, assumption, attitude, belief, conception, conclusion, conjecture, estimate, estimation, eye, fancy, feeling, guess, hypothesis, idea, imagining, impression, inclination, inference, judgment, mind, notion, persuasion, postulate, presumption, presupposition, reaction, say so, sentiment, slant, speculation, supposition, surmise, suspicion, take, theorem, theory, thesis, think, thought, view, and viewpoint. You may find my analysis crude or detached, however, you must focus on the point at hand.

And so, someone or something that could be construed as 'Anti-American' in a belief based opinion such as the ones given by some of the repliers is strictly that of the replier and or group or affiliation.

As for my research paper, it is in no way 'Anti-American' in my view for the following reasons:

a.) I am a citizen of the United States of America, and in being so I feel compelled to understand, and know the reasoning behind actions carried out by my government. In doing so I have discovered certain facts that pertain to certain actions, as this paper is an example. Being a citizen of this country I am concerned with what it has participated in and feel the need to understand why a nation with such utter and absolute power would carry out such atrocious acts. Not only as a citizen of this country but also as a human being, I disagree totally and whole heartedly with the majority of these actions and feel that the United States although they will never be reprimanded by anyone, should be held responsible for many of these actions.

b.) As an American it is NOT my job, duty, function, or appointment to stand by and accept so blindly or inconclusively that these actions were acceptable, or necessary by any means.

c.) I feel however that other Americans should be ENTITLED to full understanding of such situations and their causes/effects. And any American that would obstruct the right of another countryman to know and or understand such events would be themselves "Anti-American" in their actions, by denying someone vital information to forming a solid, conscious, and concrete opinion about their government.

This paper is by no means the holy grail of American history...... It is meant to be a primer for starting your brain to question the decisions and actions of a government. You wont find every single detail down to names for each and every event, but you will find the main conflict/resolution. If any of these interest you, I suggest heavily to research them further as I have.

What I cannot understand is how some people can read two or three lines, or skim a paragraph, or create alternate conflicts to sideswipe the focus of the paper, and simply turn off the entirety of the research for its true purpose which is and should be obvious.

So if to be American means, to accept every single action carried out by the goverment in all its aspects, to never question, barrade, or belittle them, and to go further by protecting and defending them through any means which appear logically correct is complete and utter ignorance, and should be fully realized and abolsihed.

As to answer soul

Using your arguments you could easily say that England is the root cause since they created the problem that brought America into being.

Well soul, you could use that in any argument that ever had a cause and effect, which is quite a few im sure. The fact that you could simply regress to define another point in the line of causation is simple fact, so i could state that its all the first bi-pedal human/primates fault for ever living and not getting killed by a predator....right? So your argument there is defunct and is completely irrelevant.

As far as

Also I see a lot about CIA run military operations and assassinations and such, yet nothing in the biblio is about the CIA, etc...

The preceding bibliography is as I stated before if you read, a summary of the Death Toll Atlas of the Twentieth Century, and if youd like to see other copies of CIA documents etc you can visit the George Washington University National Security Archive

To answer batman

Is this your school paper?  Or is this someone elses writing?

This is all quite definitely my writing, and yes it was a research paper. copyright forever, me

For everyone else -

Dont go off hating the paper because it has things in it youd rather not read, because you think they may change your opinion of beautiful and perfect America, because thats the goal of it, and I hope that if you do read it, that it sparks something in you no matter what your affiliation with any group or organization may be.

ps. Thanks you Ish =/