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Was warned not to cuss, as player wow, came back as player lojgse, spawn attacked and cussed again (didn't know if i should bleep out the comment there, i'll let admin take care of it) About 510pm on 08-26-2006 # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 521 "Major Havoc" STEAM_0:0:5117254 1:21:05 47 0 active # 511 "tWc|RoGuE.gc" STEAM_0:1:3097829 1:46:07 50 0 active # 588 "skill or be skilled" STEAM_0:0:4559630 02:32 69 0 active # 522 "°TRIBE.�ÖÑÄ°CHIEFkodiak" STEAM_0:1:8152230 1:18:36 48 0 active # 525 "tWc|ric3 c4ke" STEAM_0:0:1910513 1:17:56 142 0 active # 585 "Dude-.gc" STEAM_0:1:4433690 06:29 28 0 active # 552 "Puddle_Of_Love" STEAM_0:1:8549811 42:53 58 0 active # 587 "Kabuto" STEAM_0:0:7413421 03:17 50 0 active # 586 "[TUF]Smoky" STEAM_0:1:10475698 05:42 111 0 active # 589 "lojgse" STEAM_0:0:9753519 02:31 167 0 active # 553 "DrowsySmurf *NUBeatingNoodles*" STEAM_0:1:8245630 41:14 56 0 active # 590 "Asheylarry" STEAM_0:1:11206900 02:25 38 0 active # 543 "THE CABLE GUY" STEAM_0:0:211509 48:56 54 0 active # 557 "Immortal" STEAM_0:0:117693 39:54 83 0 active # 591 "Mavrik" STEAM_0:0:9984842 01:38 129 0 active # 566 "Moco" STEAM_0:0:10455751 23:01 50 0 active # 504 "Xplosion... #waiT !" STEAM_0:0:2042226 1:56:22 68 0 active # 576 "Mark-VII-Man ON A PLANE!!" STEAM_0:0:7321720 17:37 47 0 active *DEAD* tWc|ric3 c4ke : PENALTY *DEAD* DrowsySmurf *NUBeatingNoodles* : cuz u were gun greedy *DEAD* tWc|ric3 c4ke : MOVING POST *DEAD* lojgse : truck fcuk truck truck truck fcuk fcukf cufkc ufc ktruck fuc ktruck truck truck

Good to have you buddy :-) tWc|RoGuE.gc

amen. use your judgement, and if the admin feels its unacceptable, it should be pretty obvious (slapped). I'll make one final post to this topic.. I mean it barely affects me, other than not knowing what to tell others in-game. For instance, I see someone planting in fountain in inferno. This is not something I would do, it is an exploit in cal. BUT... do i tell them to stop doing it if no admin is there? IF I do tell them, and they keep planting there, do I screenshot everything for the ban forums? Basically, this is something I'm posting, not for my sake, but for those who do not know/know any better, and to KEEP THINGS COMPETITIVE, FAIR, AND CONSISTENT. If we have different admins with different views on exploits and how to punish ppl for using them, then where are those 3 values going? Away, I tell you, away. We were hoping by dropping the # of player slots to raise these values by making it smaller more competitive rounds, and more .gc membered for consistency and fairness. So this was just my suggestion box post to help aid in that as well. Anyways, all I was asking for when I started this post was a few posts by others and then a simple consensus over the common exploits that we have posted here in the forum by the lead admins/board. That consensus could be filed in a separate (perhaps *sticky) POST (not motd, don't get hung up on that!), in which case there is plenty of room to mention as many exploits as is wished. I prefer exploits were out all together, but if others want to use them, its really not going to hurt my feelings, i'll still pwn without using them so whatever. .GC still rules, and still does a better job at keeping all of these things to a minimum, than pretty much any other server I've tried out. <takes a step back from the podium, slowly looks the crowd in the eye, gives one final nod, and quickly makes an exit through the curtains, with only the fleeting glimpse of a leather matrix-style trenchcoat trailing for the final view of the audience>

I wouldn't call it an exploit. If the CT can't find the bomb, it's their fault, but you can easily move barrels out of the way or defuse through them. see this is where we are fuzzy, this IS considered an exploit in cal...... so i dunno (along the same lines, shooting the chairs to cover the bomb in the inside site of de_prodigy is also illegal in cal.....) Like I said, i personally DO NOT do it if it is NOT allowed in cal, so I DO "fit into the .gc mold", understanding what is fair/unfair just fine. That doesn't mean that I know what is expected by our admins on little points such as those listed so far, as to how I should react when I see others doing these things. It does seem from these posts so far, also, that there ARE members that do not even know about these things being considered exploits in leagues and perhaps on .gc servers. We should know what kind of reaction to hold when we see these things happening. I know its not feasable to put these things in the motd, but i thought, by starting this post, we could come to some kind of consensus, THROUGH THE FORUMS HERE, as to what is right and wrong. This will help ALL OF US uphold the standards that .gc wishes upon ourselves as well as correct those not in .gc who do not know any better. No mixed signals, or undo kicks/hard feelings, etc this way ;-)

Cal League CSS Inferno Exploit about 3 headlines down.

Wonder if we could start a post regarding exploits........ 2 common exploits that we see people doing regarding the bomb would be (1) defusing the bomb from underneath the train in de_train and (2) planting the bomb in the water fountain in de_inferno. The latter I have never seen admins taking action against, but just like the train exploit, planting in the water is de_inferno is considered an exploit in cal because "it is possible for the fish to get in the way of the defuse". I'm sure that many, especially those who have never been in competive leagues, might not even know that these are exploits. Those in competitive leagues that DO know that these are exploits in league play, may not realize that we are also considering them exploits in our public to stay competitive. Not all public servers do...... Perhaps others can add their views on some other subtle exploits to this post so we can start a good post of what our admins want to actually consider exploits and make a final "expoits rules 101 post". That way we can all be on the same page. I'm pretty clear and up to date on what to expect, but many members and/or repeat visitors may not be. I didn't even know until recently that we were actually kicking ppl for the train exploit, I just knew that it was frowned upon (by myself as well). tWc|RoGuE.gc

I know its a secret right now on the sticky post up top, but it might be helpful to include what maps we currrently DO have available... I like bereuth (sp), can't remember if that was on immutable or recrudence, but don't *recall* playing it on west. If so we don't play it much. tWc|RoGuE.gc

no i just meant customs we already have and hadn't been utilizing. Seems like the most fav custom map requests i hear are russka and villa. another note, 3-4 ppl in the last 5 days commented on never playing de_cpl_fire b4 and liking it, don't know how often its used, but it seems to be well accepted.

overall, I'd give it more of a postive response this weekend, I was on immutable many many hours this weekend and just those 3 spikes that lasted a minute or two. No lag experience except for those times, and a better ping, and for the most part we had 12-18 players for the most of it, more so on the higher end. It *does* seem, from past remembrances, that one of these spikes hit quite often between the hours of 1100pm and 0100am, although there is one at different time frames here and there. Good to see so many custom maps this weekend, for the most part we only lost 1 or 2 players max on a few, no different than any other map normally in rotation. I heard a lot of requests for maps that have NOT been in our rotating 5, including customs, from .gc and non-.gc alike. Now, about those slots....... *cha-ching*

Right on, thanks for the info, good luck with your new team :-)

Saturday, 08-12-2006 @1130pm about a couple of min long

Saturday, 08-12-2006 about 1215pm. Like always, only lasted a minute or so, but it killed the server and we had to move out of a good custom map because half the ppl that were playing left/got booted (due to the lag imo) tWc|RoGuE.gc

about midnite tnite server solid until then. lots of ppl got kicked due to high ping we had an admin on giving all kinds of custom map rotation for most of the night and worked out well until midnitish... please keep custom maps going. also, as everyone else, please put more slots back in. tWc|RoGuE.gc

Happy happy b-day.

lol, the neverending map fights.... my least favorite map right now is italy, perhaps because its always been very low on my favorites list and now we have it on a 5-6 map rotation ALL THE TIME. sigh. but for some reason italy brings in the money. Anyways, I digress, i DO like compound, wouldn't mind seeing it in the rotation, though I can't put it above or below prodigy.

5 Map rotation also a good point... and yeah you aren't losing us regs yet, we have lots of good friends here, but I HAVE found myself joining other public servers recently (whereas until these changes, I was exclusive to .gc). Testing the waters due to a combination of all that has been mentioned along with loss of others showing up.

Hear, Hear!, I agree with everything the man just said

I'm gonna try to reply to that nicely and hope that my post doesn't get deleted (again). In case u are interested in what we actually SEE just about everyday, this is it, the more recent was just taken today on midwest no-scope about 4pm pst. We experience it more than we get to see it though. And I'm not savvy with all that pingplotter stuff, took me research just to figure out where I could upload an image to a website so I could then post it on here. The feeling that myself and alot have is that you should trust your members who have been playing on the servers for a very long time (and not make them go through all this headache of trying to get a dozen screenshots/pingplotter/etc each for proof) I mean, what motive could we possibly have for making these things up? Anyways, I'll take the sometimes rubberbanding old server over this one that goes through phases of lag anyday, in spite of a slightly better ping. And I'd like more slots back tWc|RoGuE.gc