ADogX October 28, 2014 Share ADogX Member October 28, 2014 So basically you're saying "I'm going to argue my point and stand by it, and believe wikipedia, but you're offering a video with many potential facts but i don't want to watch it because I don't want to be proven wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaftiel October 28, 2014 Author Share shaftiel Member October 28, 2014 (edited) Dude. On one side we have a woman who didn't sleep around to get good reviews for a game. On the other side we have people threatening the lives and families of women. There is no winning this. Shaftiel Edited October 28, 2014 by shaftiel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasx October 28, 2014 Share crasx GC Alumni October 28, 2014 I said "aint nobody got time for that" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADogX October 28, 2014 Share ADogX Member October 28, 2014 (edited) EventStatus (the video) made it clear. The "GamerGaters" who are threatening people and such, are irrelevant. From how I see it, they're using GG to get attention drawn to themselves. Don't let those idiots give a bad name to the rest of the GG community. I believe that journalism in gaming needs to be fixed. I have no problem with girls in gaming. I want girls to play games because that means more people to have fun playing games with. But because of those idiots who threaten others, am i as bad as them? No. Yes, both sides are at fault here. But GG isn't the worst side, considering all we've seen. I will say this though...we as GG DO need to make a threat to journalists. But NOT their lives or anything. Threaten to cause them to lose their jobs. If they're going to lie and disrespect gamers, they don't deserve to have their job. But that's what I believe I said "aint nobody got time for that" I know what you said, but it's interpreted as to how i put it. I mean, I watched it all the way through. So obviously, somebodies got time for that Edited October 28, 2014 by ADogX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaftiel October 28, 2014 Author Share shaftiel Member October 28, 2014 If they're going to lie and disrespect gamers What does that even mean? Give me an example. Shaftiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasx October 28, 2014 Share crasx GC Alumni October 28, 2014 when he talks about somebody dying that is a very real issue- look at sexual assault and domestic violence rates and the personas of perpetrators. Hell look at Elliot Rodger, its the same attitude that causes this. why not care about fox news or the fact that 6 companies are responsible for all the media we consume outside of gaming? Ok i watched 10 minutes and tried to sort through nonsense, I get that the issue is about fair journalism. But it seems like this brought to light an even bigger issue of sexism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADogX October 28, 2014 Share ADogX Member October 28, 2014 If they're going to lie and disrespect gamers What does that even mean? Give me an example. Shaftiel Give me some time to find some of the articles i looked at. I'll get back to you in a feew when he talks about somebody dying that is a very real issue- look at sexual assault and domestic violence rates and the personas of perpetrators. Hell look at Elliot Rodger, its the same attitude that causes this. why not care about fox news or the fact that 6 companies are responsible for all the media we consume outside of gaming? Ok i watched 10 minutes and tried to sort through nonsense, I get that the issue is about fair journalism. But it seems like this brought to light an even bigger issue of sexism. I'll admit, the sexism has increased due to GamerGate-vs-Journalism started, at least from what I have seen. But like I said above, give me some time to find some of the articles to show my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaRvIn October 28, 2014 Share MaRvIn Member October 28, 2014 I can't find the lock button! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADogX October 28, 2014 Share ADogX Member October 28, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/vTNgUDR.png ^ complains about his song playing call of duty and killing himself. Why would he let his son play call of duty, and why allow him to have access to a gun (how it was acquired is unknown). Still blames gamergate and video games. http://i.imgur.com/zt56jdP.png ^ Calling us gamers as bad as ISIS http://i.imgur.com/aaZIlNK.png ^ Says women and minorities are stupid for being apart of GG http://i.imgur.com/E6ZqOKt.png http://i.imgur.com/35eexOI.png ^ Says cops should stop targeting minorities and go against GamerGate. So we're as bad as cold blooded killers? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/10/09/the_gender_games_sex_lies_and_videogames_124244.html#.VDbWmQ7vAYQ.twitter http://gamergateharassment.tumblr.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCuvab-q0ik&feature=youtu.be http://i.imgur.com/oXkZuY2.png ^ Abuse? what? http://i.imgur.com/hHrlpz9.jpg ^ Sexism much? That's just a few of the many examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasx October 28, 2014 Share crasx GC Alumni October 28, 2014 ^ Says cops should stop targeting minorities and go against GamerGate. So we're as bad as cold blooded killers? uh. thats one of the most racist thing I've ever heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADogX October 28, 2014 Share ADogX Member October 28, 2014 ^ Says cops should stop targeting minorities and go against GamerGate. So we're as bad as cold blooded killers? uh. thats one of the most racist thing I've ever heard I'm not the one saying it. the guy is the one saying it. And if you think i meant that when i said "we're as bad as cold blooded killers," im assuming you thought i meant minorities are those kind of people. I agree i wasn't clear enough. what i meant was that he thinks GGers are as bad as cold blooded killers IN GENERAL. i didn't mean to make it sound like i was talking about minorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaRvIn October 28, 2014 Share MaRvIn Member October 28, 2014 Seriously guys, this thread is getting stupid and has been open for too long. Someone please lock and all the non-sense that goes with it. Everyone has their own opinion on the matter and not everyone is going to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaftiel October 28, 2014 Author Share shaftiel Member October 28, 2014 All of your examples are of the backlash against Gamersgate, not of the supposed journalistic lies or abuse that spawned it. You are pointing to the result not the origin. Of course there will be a violent push back. Violence breeds violence. Regardless of what you claim the majority of GG believes, the very vocal minority has the reins right now. The only way to validate your position is to provide examples of journalistic ethics abuse that are egregious and wide spread enough to warrant the movement at all. Not point to the backlash against the violent attacks from GG. Shaftiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters October 28, 2014 Share stutters GC Alumni October 28, 2014 Small world. That second guy you cite (George Reese) is someone I know and have worked with. Moot point. He's talking about #GamersGate extremists -- not gamers at large. This is a reoccurring theme with your examples. Secondly, that petition you cited? It has 10 supporters. And the argument that video games causes people to go on murderous rampages? That's been around since Columbine. This isn't new and it's definitely not a #GamersGate thing. Rebecca Watson? She's talking about people being dumb for jumping into this after the beehive got kicked (death threats). Look, if #GamersGate is something other than death threats and trolling (i.e., journalistic integrity), separate yourselves from those extremists. Example? Anonymous and lulzsec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaftiel October 28, 2014 Author Share shaftiel Member October 28, 2014 Seriously guys, this thread is getting stupid and has been open for too long. Someone please lock and all the non-sense that goes with it. Everyone has their own opinion on the matter and not everyone is going to agree. Usually we lock a topic when/if people start getting angry and start losing their temper. That has not happened yet lol. And anyway, I want to know how someone can claim journalistic fraud when dealing with a subjective entity like a game where its based entirely on personal opinions. Shaftiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaRvIn October 28, 2014 Share MaRvIn Member October 28, 2014 Seriously guys, this thread is getting stupid and has been open for too long. Someone please lock and all the non-sense that goes with it. Everyone has their own opinion on the matter and not everyone is going to agree. Usually we lock a topic when/if people start getting angry and start losing their temper. That has not happened yet lol. And anyway, I want to know how someone can claim journalistic fraud when dealing with a subjective entity like a game where its based entirely on personal opinions. Shaftiel I am just trying to avoid a situation that is inevitable in a topic like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters October 28, 2014 Share stutters GC Alumni October 28, 2014 To be fair, my first reaction when I saw this thread pop up was "this is going to get locked" and "awww, remember the asylum RIP." I'll probably regret posting instead of locking it and pointing you to Google. I've made my points and position known. It's only fair to let the other side make theirs before closing this and moving on. ps, Marvin -- your signature is impressively gigantic. It takes up almost half of my vertical screen space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaftiel October 28, 2014 Author Share shaftiel Member October 28, 2014 To be fair, my first reaction when I saw this thread pop up was "this is going to get locked" and "awww, remember the asylum RIP." I swear to god I am not a trouble maker! lol Shaftiel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADogX October 28, 2014 Share ADogX Member October 28, 2014 Again, I understand the whole issue very well, but i am horrible at explaining things. maybe this article? it talks about GG a little, but it doesn't primarily focus on it. http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/22/They-re-on-to-us-gaming-journalists-respond-to-their-critics-in-series-of-new-GameJournoPros-emails But i strongly advise you to watch EventStatus (AKA MainEventTV)'s videos on gamergate. I promise you that you'll be much more well informed about the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasx October 28, 2014 Share crasx GC Alumni October 28, 2014 ok. gg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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