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This whole discussion is about the amount of points you are getting for what you are actually doing. You can get 12.5 points for a boomer if you can manage to boom 7 people over an attack that can last a few seconds. You can get 12.5 smoke if you can sustain an attack on one person for several seconds, same with a jockey. You can get 12.5 points for a spit lasting several seconds on several people and probably a couple of incaps in the middle of it all meanwhile players are moving out of the spit. A hunter earns 12.5 point for an attack that lasts then a second on ONE person. Many times by exploiting ceilings and walls that are out of bounds and not in the confines of normal map play. No other class of SI can do that and it's an unbalanced advantage, to get a tank for four seconds of attack and by attacking only one player. It's EXTREMELY stacked. If your only argument to the contrary is going on about skill, with the hunter and how awesome it is, then what I am suggesting doesn't affect that at all. You can still be a hunter all you want, I'am not suggesting we get rid of them or reduce their numbers. It will not affect your game play one single bit.

So you are saying a 1 second smoker should equal the same amount of points as a longer pull? What I am saying is a hunter should not get 12.5 points for a less than one second pounce on one person.

AGAIN, if you merely like the challenge of doing these high pounces then you can thank me later, because you will get to do more of them instead of being tank all of the time.

I think my suggestion of cutting the points in half was a good starting point. I think it evenly distributes points / skills and makes it more in line with what you are actually doing. You are merely attacking one player from a position that could be well out of bounds and given animation etc you have other players capitalizing from that pounce even though initially having nothing to do with it. You can also do this with spitters I guess, but you aint getting tank from 4 spits on one person who only was in spit for one second each time.

Ok hunter fan boys, if I were to apply your logic to every other class. So if I can pull off a rocket spawn in from a roof top with any class of other than hunter and scratch one person before dying I should get 12.5 points?? Because that essentially what the hunter is doing.................I know sounds ridiculous right?

My suggestion is to cut the points you get from pounces in half. Just to clear something up, I am not advocating reducing damage to survivors health, just the points.

Ok maybe 2 points if you can land a rocket jockey. but not 12.5

You don't get 12.5 points for a 1 second jockey, or a 1 second charge on a new player that you are taking advantage of

ok, hunter 1 pounces new player from 50,000 feet bouncing off walls that don't exist in the map. Gets pounce. Then the get up animation (or an incap which makes all of this way worse) holds said player in the sames spot for a few seconds, meanwhile the 4 other hunters that have been waiting pounce at the same non-moving target, getting just as many points off from the initial pounce. If a charger charges someone for a few points and then there is a chain charge the subsequent chargers don't stack the same points as the initial charge. If someone smokes someone for several seconds and gets 10 points and that smoker is killed and a subsequent smoker smokes someone for 1 second as the player is getting up, the subsequent smoker doesn't get 10 points too. When two boomers hit the same group of 5 survivors they don't both get points and double down on the boomer points, only 1 will get credit. When 4 people spit in one location they will all get individual points, but at least the person in spit can move out of the spiit! and or buy up, they are not pinned and there is no animation to contend with...................and none of these other classes in any of these examples is getting a tank in four attacks on ONE person, plus the three other copy cats in subsequent pounces. A spitter isn't getting it, a boomer isn't getting it, a smoker isn't getting it, a charger isn't getting it, a jockey isn't getting it, but a hunter gets it in an attack that lasts less than a second on one person. There is no need to play with any other class, the hunter is the only one that's not in line with the others. All of these other arguments to the contrary really have nothing to do with disproportional points given to one class for a single attack on a single person that lasts less than a second. I can choke someone TO DEATH with a smoker and not get the points a hunter gets for a few seconds of work.

Is there any way we can nerf these hunters. I know it's cool, but tank points from a couple of pounces is ridiculous. It's also the only class that leaves you pinned and then 4 people just tee off on one pounce, the "get up" animation doesn't help. It ain't skill either, how hard is it to hit a target that isn't moving and in fact can't move for a couple of seconds, and all get tanks in just a few pounces. No other class works this way and it's disproportionate. Maybe cut the point value in half or something and if you are one of those that like it so much.............good, you'll get to do more of it, instead of being a tank all the time.

Deadlock, with all due respect, that is what has happened and it was the consensus of the board and the other admins that some kind of exploit was being used. No one is going deep into the specifics of it with you, because we want to protect our means of detection. Using your example with fishy crosshair placement, no not everyone does that, but someone using an exploit will, so if that person in your example was doing the EXACT same thing as a person with an exploit would do then one would assume that, that is what is happening. You can't look like a duck, walk like a duck, and quack like a duck, and then b*tch because someone shoots you during duck season. I had almost no input during the decision making on this, because to be honest I don't think my opinion counts on such matters much. I am obviously more irritated by the constant bombardment the forums have been subjected to repeatedly and I just don't know how many times we have to keep saying the same thing. The board and admins reviewed all information, took your pleas of innocence into consideration, and made a decision.

Ok, we are talking in circles again. It has been said multiple times we are not providing clips, to ensure the next person will know they shouldn't do "that". The reasons we are not going into further explanations about cross hair placement etc. is for the same reason. To protect what we are "looking" for. I'm sorry you don't like that answer, but from our prospective it's important to keep that information close to our chest.

Please don't take this personally Deadlock, because I have never had a problem with you personally, but we have discussed this over and over and everyone keeps repeating themselves and it's not getting anyone anywhere. There was a thorough review. It has been discussed over and over and a decision was made. At this point we are all just talking in circles. Admins didn't close the topic because they didn't want to deal with it. They closed the topics because they did deal with it and the matter is closed. We will not be sharing video footage or any other tools, because it could be used to avoid detection in the future.

Hold on, when was i given this time to defend myself? When I first realized i was banned, I came to the forums and asked to speak to an admin about it. Johnny then posted saying that he had clear evidence that I was using cheats and told me that I the option to appeal to the ban by talking about it on the forums. I then said that i would like to appeal, whether it be on the forums or privately through steam, and waited. I was then informed days later that the admins had "discussed it over" and that my ban would permanently stay. I was not given any chance to defend myself. I was not told what hacks I was accused of using, i was not allowed to see any of the demos that you so carefully keep hidden. I couldn't defend myself because i was given no information on the incident whatsoever. And instead of allowing me to defend myself on that post, it was locked and the discussion was ended. So i did what i thought was logical and fair. I made a post informing people about my playstyle, my experience in games such as this and my reasoning for doing albeit questionable things in the eyes of others. The discussion reached a board member and they said they would review the evidence and get back to me about it. But in no way was I given an actual chance to defend myself before being permanently banned. You have attempted to plea your case in at least 3 forum posts. You have contacted multiple admins, board members, and members to plead your innocence. The evidence has been gone over and discussed many times and a consensus was reached. We keep repeating the same things over and over and it is getting us nowhere.

This isn't a movie, he is not on trial for murder, and this is not a court of law. We have video evidence. It is deadlock playing. A consensus was reached. He has made his case in forums 2 more times than was needed. It was decided that the ban stays. Now please stop repeating your same argument so I can stop repeating my same response. If you have something new that has not been said a hundred times already then please post that.

We made a decision the only way we could, by weighing the evidence and reaching a consensus. Deadlock has opened at least 3 posts on this subject, it has been thoroughly discussed and a decision has been made. Complaining about it because you didn't like the the decision is what my 5 year old does. He has pleaded his case as he should. It was decided the ban stays. He was given an opportunity to defend himself and that defense was not sufficient to overturn the ban.

First of all we brought slaves from everywhere, second of all, it's all dead peoples baggage so quit carrying it, lastly your statement has nothing to do with this post.

Why do we keep opening this post over and over. It's this simple. We have reviewed demos etc. There was a consensus that some kind of hack, exploit, cheat, etc. was probably being used. There is no way to be 100% sure without standing over your shoulder, but if it's 90% sure then that is as close as we are going to get and let that be the end of it. We are not obligated to show you footage, because that could give others insight into how to avoid being caught. It's nothing personal, but a consensus was reached, the decision has been made, and arguments to the contrary are also just opinions and not substantial enough to overturn the decision.

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Get well soon buddy, it's too quiet in here

I heard from Maestro today, he seems to be doing well, but could be in a bit longer than originally thought. The internet sucks there so it's hard for him to post things himself. He will be back as soon as he can.

I just got done telling everyone not to rush, I banned half a team for rushing. Everyone is still getting ready and loading in and you ran right out of the saferoom. If you are going to leave the saferoom the second the timer runs out, please announce it or ask if everyone is ready to go. No one was and that is why I banned you. Your ban was only an hour and should be nearly done now, please feel free to come back and play.

oh my it does happen in CSGO