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wow, rancid is still around! i saw those guys their first year as a band, like 8 or 9 nines years ago or something ridiculously dating like that! my father in law burned me the simple plan album but it was just straight highschool skate music, not much talent compared to some of the skate bands out there (no offense, just my opinion). ever listen to lagwagon?

http://www.augustana.edu/foreignterm/europ...1999/euro17.jpg pic of my wife and me several years ago in france

well fatty i'd drive down from MI for those margaritas any day, but seeing as mag's is my Mmmm connection and he is staying in WI, AND its my one year anniversary with my wife, i'll have to opt out. TP's was a great time though, and i can see how a night there could get pretty crazy have fun folks, i'll get myself a margarita whilst i am out of the town in your spirit (top shelf, or course) ~ratch

Jule's just got approval for a conference in Chi-town for july 25 and 26 ( a sat and sun i believe) so i will be hanging out downtown the entire weekend with nuthin to do and a paid for hotel room. i see no reason why we shouldn't be able to get in 72 as long as its a nice day!!!

tattoos eh? don't have one but they are cool on some people. like cowboy said, get something respectable if you decide to do it, and i would say get it somewhere semi-discreet... but thats just my preference

for driving, yup, you can take as many steps as you like within the teebox. teeboxes are sometimes pavement, sometimes wood chips, but more often than not simply a little dugout with a 4x4 marking the end of the teebox. the placement of the teeboxes determines the hole, generally, because whatever direction they point you, in addition to the size of the box, limits your ability to toss a disc and avoid obstacles. you are right though, if you have driven and are on a second shot, your foot generally needs to remain at or near the spot the disc landed. thats why a bad drive (ie. smacking a tree 20 yds off the teebox) can get you into a lot of trouble! and in regard to the distance comment; distance is nice when you can throw accurately, but oftentimes can get you into some really crappy spots too. i have lost a driver into a river, tossed one about 200 yards (due to a wind gust) onto the top of an indoor tennis facility , and another had plenty of distance but veered right into a murky ditch, never to be seen again. lost another into a river! lol, some discs seem to have a mind of their own. most of the courses we play are free. i played one a few weeks back that had parking fees for the park but the course itself is free. i don't think you could make too much money out of frolfers b/c they generally are the hippy crowd and as long as there are spots to play for free, paying to play seems pretty much a rip-off. but some of the courses are nice enough that i would drop twenty bucks if i had the whole day to waste and the weather was nice. thats the best thing about frolf though, you could go out and play with one disc (cost 8-10 $) and spend a whole day in the sun having fun and getting good exercise (and plenty of laughs) and it is virtually free.

since i know mag's is still sawing logs i'll fill ya in on frolf okay, like golf there are individual holes that you play. each hole is normally measured in feet for frolf (as opposed to yards in golf). a normal hole will range from 200 -450 feet. the type of discs you use are very different than a normal frisbee. a frolf disc is typically about 7 or 8 inches across, and is weighted and cut in a specific style for variable types and distances of flight. for instance, a 'driver' is usually one of your heavier discs because more weight can often equal more distance. these discs are also very aerodynamic for maximum distance. they also have a tendency to fly fairly straight at first, and then die off to the left once the pass maximum height and velocity. a putter, on the other hand, is usually unaerodynamic and flies very straight, but not very far, no matter how hard you throw it. this allows for more accuracy around the hole. okay, back to the course. each course is different, it may be 9, 18, 21 or 27, or 36 holes. most courses are free, and are placed in a public park. there may even be one in your hometown and you never even realized it (for a list of parks, use mag's link to www.pdga.com and click on course directory, then select 'by state'). courses may sometimes be wide open, where there are few obstacles. other courses may be completely through a forest, demanding super accuracy. Mag's and I, and most other frolfers, play every hole as a par three. the main idea is to have a nice drive that doesn't clip a tree or end up in a bush. wherever your disc lands, thats where you play it from. at the end of each hole is a metal basket. the base of the basket is about 2 feet in diameter with about a 3 inch lip on it. the middle of the basket has a pole going upwards about 2.5 feet, and chains are draped down from the top. the object is to hit the chains, which knocks the disc down into the basket. its a GREAT sport. the method for throwing a frisbee golf disc is very different than throwing a regular frisbee. you have to use your entire body, including a multiple step approach, to huck a frolf disc some distance. i can say with some certainty that i can throw a disc regularly about 110 yards, probably the length of a football field from goalpost to goalpost, and occasionally farther (although the disc is more than likely lost at that point). there is a lot of walking involved and a round of 18 typically takes mag and myself about an hour to an hour and a half. if you are interested, visit that website to find a course near you, and to find discs you can usually find somebody in the area that will know a shop. otherwise, sports resale shops carry them sometimes, although the discs are banged-up and overpriced. happy frolfin! ratch

lol magruter, my wife doesn't mind my habit but she detests yours hahahaha

hmmm, a par round is never a bad round, thats for sure! especially in consideration of some of our past outings when we threw worthless tosses the entire time. glad you made it out. julie and i actually went out and played tennis. she's getting better and i think i am gonna get her a private lesson or two (god forbid she let me instruct her, that would be a fight that would last a month, lol).

man, you should see mag's collection: he has 12 in his bag at all times. i play with four (used to be five until a murky ditch in northeastern illinois claimed one of my drivers) most of the time, but could easily expand my collection if i lived closer than 4 hrs away from mag and played as often as he did.

good, we gotta plan a three day weekend wisconsin roadtrip of camping and frolfing for sometime in july - good luck at the links tonight!

congratulations fatty, best of luck to your and your fam

grrrrr, the nerve of you to frolf without me! although i know you (and everyone else) can own me in-game, at least i have my days out on the links when i can get my licks in against you bro!