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Only took a year almost.

I have a pretty good air cooler now and will just keep it on the existing CPU. Those 6-core AMD CPU's can run kind of hot. I only want the water because it means less dust blowing onto my CPU and motherboard. My case is filtered but it still gets in.

The problem with Micro Center for me is that they do not ship and are too far out of the way to be worth the drive.

Maybe this for the cooling. Not sure how much I will need this when I first do the build but it depends on the cost of everything else. http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Series-Performance-Liquid-CWCH80/dp/B0051U7HMI

Okay, so far this is what I am leaning towards for a motherboard. It is cheaper at Amazon than NewEgg currently. $185 MSI Z77 MPOWER http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Computer-Corp-Motherboard-Intel/dp/B0090Z39EA?tag=hardfocom-20 This looks like the CPU of choice. Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core: $229.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 And perhaps this for the PSU. Corsair Professional Series AX 850 Watt ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Gold (AX850) $169.99 http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Professional-850-Watt-Certified-High-Performance/dp/B003PJ6QW4?tag=hardfocom-20

Is it safe to assume that the Z77 is the chipset of choice for the Ivy bridge at the moment? And that Ivy Bridge is the i7 version of choice at the moment?

So my son is now getting into PC gaming a bit courtesy of a buddy and Command & Conquer. So I am thinking of maybe doing a minor upgrade on my computer and recycling those parts to a computer for him. I already have an older Chieftec full tower case for him so that isn’t a problem. The system currently has an intel Core 2 Duo of some kind but it doesn’t boot and it could be a number of things. So I am going to just build it out new. This is what I am thinking; if I do this, I should upgrade a few components on my system and put the older parts into my son’s gaming system and trust me, he will be flying good. I am thinking of upgrading my Asus Crosshair IV Formula and AMD 6x core Phenom. I will keep my video card which is the latest Nvidia 670 card. I may upgrade my RAM depending on what I upgrade to next and what I have now is 8GM of DDR3. He will need a new PSU too probably but I may consider putting a new one in my case instead since I had to pull a fan out to fit it in my case. I will need to get him a decent video card for his first but nothing expensive; just adequate is what I want. So what I am looking for is something great for gaming but also cost effective. I like my motherboards to be equipped with great layout. An aftermarket cooler for the CPU would be great too and if there are any self-contained water cooling kits, I would consider those as well. They’ve gone a long way in the 10 years that I last touched one. I will spec this up myself as well but would love community input as well until I have time to do it.

I recommend an extra expense and get a cooling pad for the gaming laptop. They all tend to be poor in ventilation.

This going to Steam? I remember playing Phantasy Star 2 on the Genesis way back when and loved that.

After doing some cross referencing with notebookcheck.net and prices and reviews on Amazon and Newegg, these would be my recommendations based on price first while still being a class 2 video card for some gaming capabilities. http://www.amazon.co...57587968&sr=1-3 Details on the video card: http://www.notebookc...0M.63761.0.html This one is an excellent price for the performance and I would def get this one over the one I linked above. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16834215615 Here are the specs of the video card: http://www.notebookc...0M.71579.0.html The very bottom gives you framerates based on graphics detail. This one here is also excellent and is similar to the one above but is Lenovo. It is an i5 but it is a little bit cheaper. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16834310630 Here are the specs and details on the video card. http://www.notebookc...5M.66964.0.html This one here is a beast for the price range and the video card is a Class 1 (top class) video card. It rings in at $850. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215672 Here are the details on the video card. It is nice! http://www.notebookc...0M.71887.0.html Here is an alternative Samsung at about $750 running a top Class 2 ATI card. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16834131394 Here are the specs on the video card: http://www.notebookc...0M.72678.0.html You can always find more in this price range as well. I am only looking now because my son is getting my current good gaming laptop since he is into this one PC game.

L4D does not have jockey, charger, and spitter. The game had better boomer reaction if you landed it. The smoker could actually be used with the witch and the witches were actually in your path most of the time and required strategy to deal with. The smoker pulling you into the witch while the hunters and boomer distracted could guarantee a kill most of the time. Game was much harder.

So does anyone still play the first game or care to? I always preferred the characters and moodiness of the first game over the second. Never could get into the 10 v 10 thing either. Anyone interested in some classic L4D? I will re-install if there is.

Been a number of stories over the years. From crosses at cemeteries, Christmas displays on public places (It's a national holiday for crying out loud. Stop crying about it!), and other monuments. Display of the Ten commandments for example in some government buildings. Here is an example: http://www.cbsnews.c...par-over-cross/ So if they had chosen to represent a different religion, like putting a statue of Buddha to represent the Buddhists that died in the tower how many Christians do you think would protest? How often is Christianity bashed in the media, movies, and through "art" and how many riots, murders, and law suits have you seen as a result? I am betting none because it rarely if ever happens.

Segal hasn't been in one yet.

Been a number of stories over the years. From crosses at cemeteries, Christmas displays on public places (It's a national holiday for crying out loud. Stop crying about it!), and other monuments. Display of the Ten commandments for example in some government buildings. Here is an example: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57494930/9-11-museum-atheists-spar-over-cross/

It's like I already said. Preacher and myself included believe that our culture and the rot in our culture is to blame for what happened. Once upon a time whether you agreed with it being right or wrong, our schools had a religious foundation that taught right and wrong and it was based on Christianity. Atheists and others may disagree on where morality comes from but I believe it comes from religion and the dictates associated to each religion. They all state that murder is wrong. Stealing is wrong, etc etc. When that is taken out of every day learning and that foundation is gone along with our pop culture of violence and abortion on demand, you have a culture that doesn't respect and protect life. Kids are seeing mass murder daily on TV and in video games and hearing it in modern day music but we instead get politicians blaming an inanimate object (guns). Let me add that the media glorifying these evil murderers doesn't help any either. Now do not get me wrong, I love violent video games and movies and what not just as much as the next person. I am referring to what our kids are exposed to. There are however many bad parents taking their kids to violent movies and letting them play violent video games. I saw no less than a dozen kids under 10 at the last James Bond movie. We all deal with annoying kids in CS and COD games. My son is disabled and is always trying to get me to let him watch Family Guy and play fps games like COD but I will not let him. Games were not as realistic when I was his age as they are now. And he being 13 puts him at the start of puberty and the hormones that come with it. I will not let him be exposed to the culture any more than necessary. He likes hip hop and rap and trust me, I dislike it a great deal. Have to give a little and that is about the extent of what I will give and even then only reluctantly. I think Atheists can be and can believe whatever they want. Maybe not you specifically but I wish Atheists would stop complaining about Christianity and other religions all the time. Stop being offended at everything.

Because most atheists such as yourself have no tolerance for those of faith. You think the faithful are backwoods southern hillbillies. It's a common view from atheists and it is normal for atheists to attack those they do not agree with. I personally couldn't give a crap what someone believes but demeaning others' beliefs and rushing prove believers wrong is annoying if not ignorant. You just said you didn't attack Preacher but then proceed to call him and everyone else of faith hypocrites. Atheists cannot help themselves. The disdain and intolerance for anyone that doesn't believe as they do is readily apparent online and in society. A joke: An Atheist and a minister are riding down the street and drive past a military grave yard. What do they see? The minister: Fallen heroes The Atheist: How dare they have a cross there?!?!? I am suing!

Don't know if this is aimed at just Kuma's post, or at mine and other atheists here too, but i want to stress that i believe in something too, it just happens to be something different (spirituality). Also i only just now realized this in the religion forums and not the political asylum, i think our reactions come from the fact that in his opening post, Preacher pretty much declared war on atheism. He may not have meant to, but if you read it, that is essentially what he did. If this topic was about prayer or asking God for guidance or help, none of us atheists would have meddled. That's what we mean when we say we respect religion. Like I posted above, Preacher and others of Faith are not in these spirituality and religion forums to argue and debate whether God or other religious deities exist or not. If you want a forum for that, ask for an atheism forum. Challenging Preacher on his beliefs and to prove that God exists is ignorant and not the point of this thread. And this isn't targeted at any specific person but in general.

Good for them and I don't mind. But when some people (SOME) push the limits too far, of course people will oppose it. Just for example, if I would be insolent, I could claimed that Preacher, between the lines, is saying if you're none religious person, then there is no hope for you or you have been raised by bad parenting. Preacher did not say that. He is in a way that derives from his faith stating that our culture is to blame for these shootings. He isn't attacking anyone here and he did not come here to argue with the all-knowing atheists who have no tolerance for those that do believe in God. If you want a forum for that, ask FK and I am sure he will create a forum just for atheism.

This is a spirituality and religion forum. Not a forum for you Atheists to come in here in outrage that people actually believe in something. There are plenty of other places on the internet for that.

I will take Hitman if you stil have it.

A new trailer and a release date. May 7, 2013

So it seems that the NZB indexers are being shut down including mine. Anyone have one that is still up that I can use? All of the ones I've found are either shutdown or invite only. Going to cancel my newsgroup subscription if I do not find a working index asap.

Only if you have AAA and do not mind walking if it when it dies.

I would go but I just do not game much any more. I think I would be mostly bored or dead. I cannot imagine what a few would do to me in person given the chance. lol