jane

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well i dont think it really does, since God doesnt really care if you dont think he exists. If you dont, you dont get a second chance to reup your ante, when you die. thats kinda the point of the above post.... not to be harsh, but thats how it goes. not to be fear-inspiring, but God wants us to Love him, and if we deny he exists, we dont love him, aka we lose out of Him for eternity. If i were to tell you anything about what heaven and hell are all about, it would be that hell is not just fire and brimstone, its the lack of God. Heaven is not just golden streets and angels, its the full prescence and love of God. So, fear should never be a factor in belief, since its really about you losing something, rather than gaining a fire death....

sounds like a loose interpreation of a verse in Romans. Where did you find that WT? I think if it was taken from scripture its true. If its just a persons interpretaiton, then it may be slightly false.

nice thing bout ice cubes is you dont get to take them back later.....

sky walker(lol i thought of that, then looked at the last post.... i found that funny that i made that connection.....kinda the point here eh?)

There is one rule that supersedes all other rules(if you wanna call em rules). That is actually broken into two parts, each as important as the next. To love the Lord God with all your heart, soul and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. As far as killing/war, it follows that you should do whatever is loving to others. If that is most loving to kill a few people in power who make life hell for everyone else, then yes i find it to be fine, by those standards. But most often the rules about killing are simple and straight forward, non-interpretable- Thou Shalt not Kill. There is interpretation(if you must) when it comes to those few, and far-between situations where killing is the loving thing. And that decision should be left to those who listen to God. God will decide what is best. IMO God will most often ask for peace and justice in the same boat. Problem is our human and depraved mind cant comprehend peace and justice at the same time. Can anyone else help me out here? Im kinda lost as to the explanation of this......

my bad, lol i meant gmt moutain.....i live in colorado if that helps yall.....

not sure i follow you at all there premier, but IMO, abortion, vs war is a whole different issue. Innocent or no, those adults, and yes even those children we are killing ruthlessly over in the middle east still have more of a chance than an unborn baby(fetus, PC ). If we were to kill by choice, by frivioulous desire for ones own security/ state of mind, wouldnt that be wrong? That statement applies not just to abortion, btw, but also to war. Many christians/republicans seem to be just fine with the war on terrorism. I find it acceptable in theory, but not in practice(or at least as Bush is practicing it.... gettin polotical here i know, ill keep it down). As to the quesiton of whether its a well know thing that God has used violence for His purposes before, its really up to the person who listens. The whole of Hebrew/Jewish history is filled with blood, war and hatred. Most of the wars were used to gain some sort of clarity for the Jewish people of who God was. Either he lead them into battle against a stronger foe, and defeated them, or he lead another army against the Jews to punish them for their disobediance. If someone uses the past for justificaiton of the present, they are forgetting the fact that humans are a part of time, and that time is always moving forward. If at one point in time past, there was a good reason for violence(aka showing God's faith and love for his people/and or showing them his wrath), it may not ever be the same again. IN fact most of those situations were one time deals, where people were beaten in battle, then got to get on with life. Though there was a period of time when the Jews had strayed so far from God that he put the entire nation into captivity under Babylon. this answer your quesiton? or did i not even come close? *edit* i guess i kinda missed your last quesiton there, eh? What are the reasons God would allow me to kill someone? Thou shalt not kill. Thats what he said to me. I would find selfdefense, or defense of someone else a possible by-way, but only if it came to death. If your country asks you to kill someone, i could do that in good conscience because God put the authorities on this earth where he wanted them and his will is done through them(dont misconstrue my statement to mean i think everything they do is His will, aka Iraq, but enough of it is).

me for the night....

im the same way as dweez i dont find this conversation to be directly about trouble. I just think about the situation or a "for instance". Then I put my two cents in. Ill put mine in here too.... being that i dont think anyone is good enough or worthy of heaven(excepting Christ himself) 0%....0%.... We none of us are worthy of heaven, christian or no. It is christ in us who makes us worthy. WOOT! It feels great to know that God is so loving that He would take away my sin and allow me(through grace and faith) to commune with Him is a wonderful thing! *edit* though i should say WT, that i understand what you're aiming at here. No christian has enough faith, does enough good deeds, or prays enough to make him/her a good christian. Once again it is God who makes us good. Not by ourselves, but only with/through Him are we good. get it? or am i confuzing even myself.....

i know santa comes from saint nicolai who gave food and blankets to the homeless......

/hands dweez the whooping stick

its more like stepping out to lunch too long. If you say to God, ill be right back, i just gotta do my own thing for a while. Then God comes back and you're still doing your own thing, itll be like you never were doing His thing. Because it does come down to the last tick of the clock. Salvation is both instantanious(Romans 10:9) and lengthy(1 Peter 1:5). It is a mysterious thing that if you want more answers than what i just posted then you'll have to read the bible because all i know is that God wants us to believe that His son was, is, and will always be the saviour of our souls, and wants us to serve His Son because of that. If we do both these things then we will be saved. The semantics around whether you can "fall away" or not are rather tricky and though "many" christians choose to argue over the point, i find its better to let God's Word be truth and not any one of our interrpretations....

my clan has a server called 194th Gliders Public BF(1 or 2, we have both). IP is 140.192.184.228. We dont have public TS up yet, but we do frag hard and often....I just frag between 6-10pm gmt though because of my job. stop by sometime.

read matthew 25:1-13. This thought of yours is about the scariest thing i can imagine, and find myself wondering whenever i let myself go down a path that takes me away from my focus on God. I dont know what God would say to those who comes back late. I know if you come back too late, then you dont get forgiven, since He "never knew you". God is all forgiving, if you ask it. He wont forgive if you dont ask for it. jane

ballam's donkey.... great band..... that reference to that talking donkey is in Numbers 22:22-35 as far as family goes, i would say noah's family was really tight, especially before and slightly after the flood. I would say also that after cain and abel, Adam and Eve had an ideal family, with seth. Uh. As far as good family goes, maybe moses and abraham would be better references, since thier families are spoken about more extensively.

lol i always thought it was k.max from dctalk saying that. not STRYPER! UGH!

well i would just say a few things here trouble. You are right. He is forgiving. But I would find it to be a mistake if all we focused on was one aspect of God. If all i focused on was God's love I would miss His wrath, his mercy, his wisdom, his compassion, his holiness, his kingdom, his forgiveness, so on and so forth. If we try to focus on just one aspect of God, we will miss out on the whole thing He has given us. this post will be edited for clarification laster, but i have to go to work now.

is it jsut me or do you guys have an extremely similar arguement going on in a different topic thread? ps, this is my first ability!

The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk the the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. ugh im getting sick of this too WT. I dont know what to tell you. It hurts me to see the hypocrysy(me too, i still sin and show the world a bad version of a christian) in the "Christian" church today. But once again, try to get past the whole issue with the people themselves. You admit we all sin. The one exception to that rule is Jesus. He told us the way to go, he showed us the way to life and truth. He was it. "Many" christians dont walk in faith. Many dont live the life Jesus did. Many profess to be saved, and may not be. I would say that the only way youre ever gonna come to know God as we(soul, playaa, fatty, dweez, preach, and i) do is if you intensely studdy God's Word and find the answers to these questions on your own. We will do the best we can to allow you the space you need and the time you need and the help you need. But in the end, it comes to down to this: Which is more valuable, your soul or your logic? Logic seems the way to go, but in the end, which is true? Is it imperitive to always be in the right? Is it imperitive to always know(in your mind) that you have the final answer? In the end, God will draw you to him, if you allow him. jane(still praying for you )

Capital Punishment. Ugh. I personally dont think its the right way to go. I dont find convincing scripture to sway me either way, honestly. If soul would post some here(aka actual book references) i would be happy to consider them. In repsonse to your question WT, I dont know. I dont take responisbilty for anyones life, excepting that if I didnt do my best to let them know the truth, I would feel responsible for their soul. I think Jesus tells us to love each other and to forgive and forget...I do think it up to the justice system how to punish people. But in the end, God has final judgement over thier souls, and believe me, itll be far greater judgement(better and worse) than the justice system will ever concieve. God is our judge and we are our own prosecutors. We decide whether we will have charges laid against us or not(if we choose to follow Jesus or not). In helping playaa finish his thoughts on the old covenent vs new, I would say too that when we follow Jesus, we will live by the Law of the old testament(though not live the way we used to, aka living to make sacrifices and keeping from unkosher foods) It is not something that is binding anymore, since Christ fulfilled it all for us. But we will naturally be working towards the goals and commandments set down in the old covenent. We will live. We will enjoy life. God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him. To live without want, to live without desire, save serving God is to be satisfied. To know the joy of loving someone far greater and far holier than yourself is far better than anything else(im working myself up to a praise session again ). /wants to know if that asnwered WT's question he possed to jane....

Hey my bud from BF wants a joystick. What should he get?

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