Watchtower April 11, 2004 Share Watchtower Member April 11, 2004 All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end. Believers may fall into sin through neglect and temptation, whereby they grieve the Spirit, impair their graces and comforts, and bring reproach on the cause of Christ and temporal judgments on themselves; yet they shall be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jane April 11, 2004 Share jane Member April 11, 2004 sounds like a loose interpreation of a verse in Romans. Where did you find that WT? I think if it was taken from scripture its true. If its just a persons interpretaiton, then it may be slightly false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Kill3r April 12, 2004 Share All Kill3r Member April 12, 2004 i guess that depends on if you believe in Christ or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jane April 12, 2004 Share jane Member April 12, 2004 well i dont think it really does, since God doesnt really care if you dont think he exists. If you dont, you dont get a second chance to reup your ante, when you die. thats kinda the point of the above post.... not to be harsh, but thats how it goes. not to be fear-inspiring, but God wants us to Love him, and if we deny he exists, we dont love him, aka we lose out of Him for eternity. If i were to tell you anything about what heaven and hell are all about, it would be that hell is not just fire and brimstone, its the lack of God. Heaven is not just golden streets and angels, its the full prescence and love of God. So, fear should never be a factor in belief, since its really about you losing something, rather than gaining a fire death.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwEEziL April 12, 2004 Share dwEEziL Member April 12, 2004 Sounds sorta like a Hyper-Calvinist view to me, that of those who are saved are pre-selected by God and have no choice but to live good lives. This is not what I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auggybendoggy April 12, 2004 Share auggybendoggy Member April 12, 2004 dweez, ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty April 13, 2004 Share Fatty GC Founder April 13, 2004 I don't necessarily agree, dweez...because the statement starts out with "all true believers" which puts the verbage in the hands of the people. It also mentions "grace" which is something given undeserved...not something predetermined. If God already had a list, then there would be no grace required. Basically, I read it as this, and it's consistant with what I believe: Salvation is the one true, good, and perfect gift. It's so good that you can't even mess it up. Just as your salvation isn't based on works, nor can you lose your salvation by works. This is what I take from it. Is there any more context to this? Source? Etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchtower April 14, 2004 Author Share Watchtower Member April 14, 2004 Part of the Baptist confession of Faith.? Click Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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