Yes its true you can build a sentry fairly quickly, but when you have a 5 minute round and it takes 3.5 of that, with dedicated supplies close by, thats just silly. I got kicked from a server 3 or 4 times for building sg\dispencers in places they didnt like. But thats an admin issue. Plus their on you in 30 secs all the while your trying to build that dispencer. Seems no better than Quake now. I played old tf up to the release of tf2 and its just not the same. I like to at least survive a round before some kid takes me out with amazing scout speed backed up by that lame medic beam. Ill try it a few more times but so far its just not good enough of a game. I know a lot of you like it and it looks promising, but as a loooonnnggggg time tfc vet, its just not the game we were all waiting for.