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  1. Print Elephant Article View On the File menu, click Print to print the information. Elephant I. Introduction Elephant, huge mammal characterized by a long muscular snout and two long, curved tusks. Highly intelligent and strong, elephants are the largest land animals and are among the longest lived, with life spans of 60 years or more. Healthy, full-grown elephants have no natural enemies other than humans. Throughout history, people have prized elephants for their great size and strength. On the battlefield, soldiers astride elephants have trampled and terrified enemies. Elephants also have been trained to carry heavy supplies through jungles and to haul huge logs from the forests where they once lived. Elephants have long been revered and honored, and in Thailand, India, and other Southeast Asian countries, beautifully decorated elephants still play a significant role in traditional religious ceremonies. According to Buddhist tradition, the Buddha chose the form of a white elephant as one of his many earthly incarnations, and the rare appearance of a white elephant is still heralded as a manifestation of the gods. Over the past 40 million years, more than 600 species of elephants have roamed the earth. Today only three species remainâ€â€the savanna elephant and the forest elephant of Africa, and the Asian elephant. Climate fluctuations over the millennia and resulting vegetation changes caused the extinction of many elephant species, but human impact has also taken its toll. At the turn of the 20th century, elephants numbered from 5 million to 10 million, but widespread hunting and habitat destruction reduced their numbers to 400,000 to 500,000 by the end of the century. Present-day efforts to save elephants may be inadequate, and biologists are unsure if elephants as a species will survive. II. Evolution The earliest known ancestors of modern-day elephants evolved about 65 million years ago in the region now known as Egypt. Called Moeritherium, these swamp-dwelling animals were from pig- to cow-sized, with an elongated snout but no trunk. They sported two pairs of slightly elongated front teethâ€â€indicators of what would eventually evolve into tusks. Three groups of elephant-like animals descended from Moeritherium: Deinotherioidea, Mastodontoidea, and Elephantoidea. Deinotherioidea evolved from 54 million to 38 million years ago and lived in parts of Asia, Europe, and Africa. It possessed a trunk and two tusks, which pointed backward, possibly for hoeing up food from the edges and bottoms of swamps. The last surviving members of this group died out about 10,000 years ago. The earliest members of the Mastodontoidea group evolved about 38 million years ago. These animals had elephant-like trunks, and, depending on the family, displayed either two or four tusks. The upper tusks were vertical, or upward pointing. The lower set, when present, bent forward and were sometimes shaped like shovels, apparently for digging plant roots and bulbs. The mastodon, the most familiar member of this group, evolved about 15 million years ago, and spread to Europe, Asia, Africa, and North America. Its descendants lived in the cold world of the last great Ice Ageâ€â€2.5 million to 8,000 years ago, when thick glaciers covered parts of North America and Europe. The mastodon had two tusks that curved upward and was covered with a thick coat of shaggy hair. About 10,000 years ago, early humans began hunting mastodons, contributing to their extinction. The Elephantoidea group, which evolved 8 million to 10 million years ago, includes the mammoth and Stegolophodon. The mammoth also lived during the Ice Age and was covered with a thick, woolly coat. Unlike the mastodon’s forward-curving tusks, the mammoth’s tusks curved backward. The mammoth displayed a prominent hump on its back. Mammoths roamed North America, Africa, Europe, and Asia, were hunted by early humans, and died out about 8,000 years ago. Stegolophodon evolved about the same time as the mammoth and inhabited Europe, Asia, and Africa. Its tusks and other features were intermediate between the mammoth and modern-day elephants. Stegolophodon’s descendants are the African and Asian elephants of today. III. Range and Habitat Fossils of elephant ancestors indicate they once lived on every continent except Australia and Antarctica, but elephant habitat today is restricted to Africa and parts of Southeast Asia. Elephants occupy an array of environments in Africa and Southeast Asiaâ€â€grasslands, marshes, forests, deserts, and mountains. They are herbivores, or plant eaters, and need great quantities of food to sustain their massive size. They also need a lot of drinking water and so are restricted to areas with ample vegetation and adequate water. Even small herds of a few elephants can quickly deplete the food and water resources of an area, forcing them to keep on the move. A herd of elephants migrates seasonally in an extended loop, looking for fresh resources within its home range, which can extend over 1,500 sq km (600 sq mi). In its search for food, an elephant can travel 5,000 to 10,000 km (3,100 to 6,200 mi) in one year, the longest mammal migration on record. IV. Physical Description The three species of elephants look alike, but they have small differences in size, color, and other physical characteristics. The savanna elephant is larger than the forest elephant and the Asian elephant. Males, or bulls, may reach 4 m (13 ft) in height and weigh up to 7,000 kg (15,400 lb). Females, or cows, are shorter, averaging 2.8 m (9 ft) in height, and weigh considerably less, about 3,600 kg (7,900 lb). Savanna elephants are light gray in color, although they can appear dark gray, red, or brown from the mud they bathe in. They have a low, flat forehead and a slightly swayed back. Their massive ears drape over their shoulders and come to a point at the bottom. The ears average 1.5 m (5 ft) in length and 1.2 m (4 ft) in width. Both bulls and cows have long, thick, curved tusks. Forest elephants are smaller than savanna elephants. Bulls reach about 2.5 m (8 ft) in height and weigh about 900 kg (2,000 lb). Cows are only slightly smaller. Forest elephants also have large ears, but they are completely rounded in a fan shape. Forest elephants are a dark gray color. Bulls and cows have long, narrow, straight tusks and the ivory color is tinged with pink. Asian elephants are shorter and stockier than their African relatives, with ears that do not reach their shoulders. The Asian bull stands 2 to 3.5 m (7 to 11.5 ft) tall and weighs 2,000 to 5,000 kg (4,000 to 10,000 lb). Cows reach an average height of 2.4 m (7.8 ft) and weigh an average of 3,000 kg (6,600 lb). Asian elephants have dark gray skin, a bulbous forehead, and a rounded back. Ear size averages 0.75 m (2.5 ft) long and 0.6 m (2 ft wide). The cow’s tusks may be either absent or undeveloped. A. Legs Despite their great weight, all elephants walk almost noiselessly with exceptional grace. Their columnar legs keep their bulk moving forward in smooth, rhythmic strides. A thick cushion of resilient tissue grows on the base of each foot, absorbing the shock of the weight. The toes help balance the weight in walking. Elephants normally walk at a speed of about 6 km/h (about 4 mph) and can charge at up to 40 km/h (25 mph). They cannot gallop or jump over ditches, but readily take to rivers and lakes, where the water supports them and enables them to swim long distances without tiring. B. Trunk An elephant's nose and upper lip are combined in a long, limber trunk, an exceptionally supple appendage with an estimated 150,000 muscles. The versatile trunk acts like a hand for grasping low-growing shrubs and other food and placing it into the mouth; an arm for breaking off tree branches; or a snorkel for breathing when the elephant's body is submerged. Elephants also use their trunks to suck up water and squirt it into their mouths for drinking or over their bodies for bathing. Nostrils at the trunk’s tip enable elephants to detect odors. For faint scents, elephants sample the air with their nostrils. They then place the trunk in the mouth, where special organs pick up the odor. Savanna and forest elephants have two small, flexible lips at the end of the trunk for picking up small objects. Asian elephants have only one lip at the end of the trunk, which they use for the same purpose. C. Ears and Tail Elephants lack sweat glands and their large ears act like radiators for releasing body heat. By flapping them, an elephant brings the many blood vessels within each broad ear into contact with the air. This action cools the blood before it circulates again through the body. This cooling mechanism may explain why the African elephants, which evolved in a hot climate, have ears larger than those of their Asian relative, which evolved in a cooler area. An elephant’s tail is hairless but has a skimpy brush at its tip. Elephants use their tail to whisk away pesky flies. A typical tail can weigh 10 kg (22 lb). D. Teeth and Tusks Elephants have four teeth, all molars, which have jagged ridges for grinding leaves, stems, and roots. A single tooth can weigh more than 5 kg (11 lb) and measure 30 cm (12 in) in length. The first pair of molars is located toward the front of the mouth. When these front molars wear down, they drop out in pieces as the two molars in the back shift forward. Two new molars then emerge in the back of the mouth to replace those that have moved forward. Elephants replace the back molars six times throughout life. When the last set of molars wears outâ€â€anywhere between 40 and about 60 years of ageâ€â€an elephant can no longer chew food and dies of starvation, a not uncommon death among elephants. Elephant tusks are actually a pair of elongated teeth. They are the largest and heaviest teeth of any living animal. The tusks are used for digging for roots and water, stripping the bark off trees for food, fighting each other during mating season, and, in savanna and forest elephant cows, warding off predators of baby elephants such as lions and tigers. In a calf, the first incisors are replaced within 6 to 12 months of birth. The second set, which become the tusks, grows at the rate of about 17 cm (about 7 in) per year throughout life. Tusk growth is determined by genetics and nutrition, and over the years, normal wear and tear scales down their length. A bull tusk from a savanna or forest elephant typically weighs 20 to 45 kg (50 to 100 lb) and is 1.8 to 2.4 m (6 to 8 ft) in length. The tusks of an adult Asian bull average 1.5 m (5 ft) in length and 30 kg (70 lb) in weight. Ivory hunters prefer to target savanna and forest elephants because their tusks are more massive than Asian elephants, and both bulls and cows have tusks. E. Skin Elephant skin is wrinkled and about 2.5 cm (1 in) thick, with a sparse covering of bristle-like hair. Despite its thickness, the skin is subject to infection by lice, ticks that carry blood-borne diseases, and the larvae of the warble fly, which bore into the elephant’s body and cause swelling and bleeding. Elephants frequently cover themselves with dust, bathe in water, and take mud baths to protect their skin. F. Senses Elephant eyesight is poor, and the eyes are small in relation to the enormous head, which can turn just slightly from side to side. This limited movement results in restricted side vision, and an elephant must move its whole body to broaden its range of vision. Its other sensesâ€â€hearing, smell, taste, and touchâ€â€are acute. The most sensitive organ is the trunk, which is frequently at work picking up scents of food and danger from the ground and air. Elephants can smell water at great distances and can hear certain sounds from more than a mile away. V. Diet Elephants dine on a wealth of plant partsâ€â€leaves, twigs, bark, shoots, fruit, flowers, roots, tubers, and bulbsâ€â€from as many as 80 different plant species. They use their trunks for uprooting clumps of grass and for plucking branches and leaves from shrubs and trees. Hungry savanna and forest elephants may apply their full weight to a tree trunk, devouring all edible parts after the tree has toppled. Wild Asian elephants eat more grasses, including rice, than their African cousins do. Southeast Asian rice farmers must defend their crops from elephant herds on the move. The digestive system of elephants is less efficient than those of other herbivores, such as antelope and buffalo. Food passes quickly through the digestive system before nutrients are absorbed, causing elephants to discard about half the plant material they consume. This inefficient digestive system means that elephants must eat large quantities of food to retain and absorb necessary nutrients for good health. In the wild, elephants devote about three-quarters of their day to feeding. An adult elephant eats 200 to 300 kg (440 to 630 lb) of food each day. Records of zookeepers in the United States show that the average elephant in captivity eats about 39 kg (about 87 lb) of hay; 5 to 7 kg (10 to 15 lb) of grain; and 5 to 7 kg (10 to 15 lb) of carrots in 24 hours. Elephants in captivity are also fond of apples, cabbages, and other fruits and vegetables. VI. Reproduction Sexual maturity among bulls begins at about 11 to 12 years, but during mating season older bulls drive the younger ones away; bulls typically do not mate until around age 30. When a bull is about 20 to 25 years of age, the large glands on both sides of its head begin to swell and secrete an oily, testosterone-rich fluid. The bull's behavior becomes erratic and often aggressive toward other bulls and humans at this time. This event, known as musth, occurs annually throughout the bull’s lifetime, lasting for several days or several months depending on the animal's age and overall health. Cows begin breeding at about nine years of age and typically come into estrus, or heat, every 16 weeks, at which time they are receptive to mating. While pregnant, a cow’s estrus cycle halts and she does not mate. Soon after a cow gives birth, her estrus cycle begins again and she mates even if she is nursing. There is no breeding season for elephantsâ€â€mating occurs throughout the year. Elephants do not mate for life. Bulls and cows form temporary pairs prior to mating, and after a brief courtship, the bull mounts the cow from behind, copulating for less than a minute. Mating may continue for several days. Usually, one bull mates with several cows, guarding them from the advances of other bulls. Cows give birth to single calves 20 to 22 months after conception, the longest gestation period known for any animal. Cows may give birth alone or surrounded by other cows. A newborn elephant is about 1 m (about 3 ft) high and weighs about 120 kg (about 260 lb). The calf is initially helpless and unable to control its leg muscles and trunk. After one to two hours, the calf is able to stand and suckle, obtaining milk from its mother’s paired mammary glands, which are located between the front legs. Between three and four weeks, calves begin to experiment with feeding themselves; it may take six months before a calf can master the skill of drinking with its trunk. By the age of nine months, calves spend almost half of their time feeding on vegetation. They are weaned at about three or four years of age upon the birth of a younger brother or sister. In captivity, cows have borne calves until they are 60 years of age, at intervals of about four years. One or more female elephants, known as allomothers, often assist in the rearing of a calf. Allomothers stay near the calf, for example, while the mother moves away to forage for food. The more allomothers in a family, the greater the chances of the calf's survival. By age ten, a calf will weigh 900 to 1,300 kg (2,000 to 3,000 lb). It will attain most of its height between the ages of 20 and 25, but unlike other mammals, will continue to grow at a slow rate throughout life. VII. Behavior Elephants display complex social behavior, living in tightly knit families that are matriarchalâ€â€that is, headed by the oldest females. Families are composed of sisters, cousins, aunts, and nieces, and their young offspring. Families range in size from 2 to 29 individuals. These animals may remain together for life. If a family becomes too large, a few females leave to start a new herd. The members of a family bathe, forage, and travel as a group. Family members typically stay within 46 m (150 ft) of the matriarch, maintaining contact with their calls. If they are separated even for a matter of hours, their reunion is marked by an elaborate greeting ceremony, which includes running, rumbling, spinning, trumpeting, defecating, urinating, clicking tusks, and rubbing each other’s bodies with their heads. The family also defends the young, sick, old, and disabled from predators. When the elder cow in a family dies, the next oldest cow usually takes her place as leader. Young males begin to wander away from the family at about age six, and gradually spend more and more time away, alone or in the company of other young males. When they become sexually mature they either leave the family for good or are driven away by the older females. They may roam about on their own or join other males to form bachelor herds, remaining nearby but operating independently of the female-led family units. Bulls within bachelor herds occasionally battle, although rarely to the death, to determine who is boss within their herd. During their seasonal migrations, many family groups may travel together as a single herd led by the oldest female, the matriarch. If a predator threatens, the herd groups together, with the matriarch facing the enemy and the young elephants hiding behind the adults. When danger comes too close, the matriarch charges or leads the herd in a stampede to defeat the enemy. A. Communication Elephants communicate with each other through touch, sound, scent, and body language. Touching is done mainly with the trunk, and can range from a cow's gentle caress of her calf to a disciplinary slap delivered by a matriarch to an unruly young male. Shoving, kicking, and rubbing against each other are other ways that elephants communicate. Elephants also raise their voices to communicate, trumpeting as a warning or greeting to other elephants nearby. These animals also produce low-frequency rumbling sounds, which can travel over great distances, reaching the ears of elephants several kilometers away. Recent research indicates that elephants also communicate with infrasound, sounds inaudible to human ears. Elephants may use the secretion of different pheromones in urine or dung. These chemical scent signals can be detected by nearby elephants, or carried by the breeze to elephants at a distance. The secretions of the glands during musth also convey scent messages. In addition, information is shared through various body poses. A savanna elephant, for example, spreads its ears wide and may flap them while holding its trunk against its body to signal it is about to charge. B. Emotions Much has been written about the emotional life of elephants. Observation of wild elephants has proven them to be loyal and affectionate, willing to risk their lives for the sake of others in a family group. Wild elephants have been known to celebrate births of new elephants and to grieve and even shed tears over the death of a family member. In captivity, elephants can become attached to a particular zookeeper or circus worker, refusing to cooperate for anyone else. C. Intelligence It is difficult to measure the intelligence of any animal, including human beings. Nevertheless, there are strong reasons to believe that elephants are capable of higher mental functions than many other mammals, including domestic dogs and cats. One indicator is the ease with which elephants can learn tricks or tasks, an aspect of their intelligence that has been put to use by circus owners and mahouts (trainers) in Asia, many of whom teach their elephants to haul logs or transport travelers. A young elephant remembers the different paths to food or water marked out by an older cow, another indicator of intelligence. Playful behavior, observed in primates and other animals recognized as highly intelligent, is typical of young elephants, who put much energy into games of hide and seek, tug of war, and tag. Play provides a young elephant with the social skills needed to live in a family unit, while strengthening its muscles and improving its coordination for the tasks it carries out as an adult, such as foraging, bathing, and mating. VIII. Elephants and the Environment Elephants play a key role in the ecology of forests and savannas. By eating greenery high above ground, they punch holes through which sunlight penetrates, enabling low-growing plants to thrive. By uprooting grasses, they turn over the soil, aerating it so new plants grow to replace the ones that are eaten. In times of drought, they dig water holes from which other wildlife also drink. As they walk through dense forests, elephants clear paths that smaller animals and humans can use. IX. Elephants and Humans For more than 2,000 years, Asian elephants have been captured and trained to serve people. African elephants were used by Carthaginian general Hannibal to carry his supplies across the Alps during his famous march to conquer Rome in the 3rd century. As recently as the 16th century, elephants were harnessed and ridden onto the battlefield, and during World War II (1939-1945) they were used to drag heavy military equipment up steep, muddy slopes. Although no longer employed for warfare, Asian elephants continue to earn their keep in Southeast Asia and India. Approximately 13,000 to 16,000 of these animalsâ€â€roughly 25 percent of the world's wild Asian elephant populationâ€â€have been captured and trained to perform a variety of tasks. Pulling logs out of forests, carrying passengers and freight, and assisting in capturing wild elephants are among the many jobs requiring intelligence and strength that elephants perform. Logging tasks in particular demand high levels of skill. Initial training of elephants for the timber industry may take three to five years. After that, the elephants are individually fine-tuned for another ten years before they are sent out to haul logs from the forests. The graduates of logging schools may work for 30 years or more, retiring at about 50 years of age. The elephant's trainer (called an oozie or mahout) earns his livelihood by charging money for use of his skilled elephant. The trainer often grows old along with his student, during which time an unbreakable bond of mutual respect and genuine friendship forms between the two. X. Status All elephants are considered endangered species. A variety of forces have contributed to their decline. Elephants have been slaughtered in past centuries solely for their ivory tusks. In the 1900s the wild elephant population stood at 5 million to 10 million; by 1979 hunting and habitat destruction had reduced it to 1.3 million. In the ten years between 1979 and 1989, an estimated 600,000 savanna and forest elephantsâ€â€almost half the populationâ€â€were slaughtered for ivory. In June 1989 the United States banned all ivory imports, with other nations adopting similar bans soon thereafter. Under the African Elephant Conservation Act, the United States established a program to award up to $5 million a year for projects to help stop the killing of elephants in Africa. Even with such protective measures in place, ivory poaching remains a major threat. Poachers kill older elephants, including matriarchs, for their larger tusks. Herds depend on the matriarch, and her loss may interfere with the herd’s ability to migrate for food and protect the young. When mother elephants are killed, the nursing young often do not survive. Battles over shared land and its resources also cause many elephant deaths in both Africa and Asia. Increasing population and displacement resulting from forces such as consolidation of small farms drive people to clear jungles and forests for new farmland and homes. In an effort to ensure their own survival, people rob elephants of opportunities to thrive and reproduce. In many countries, wild elephants can only be found within national parks, many of which are too small and isolated to support the growth of herd populations. As a result of human impact and limited success in preserving their habitats, the number of African and Asian elephants has dropped to a dangerous lowâ€â€today only about 500,000 African elephants and about 16,000 Asian elephants live in the wild. Elephant researchers, wildlife managers, and conservationists all over the world are currently cooperating to ensure the survival of African and Asian elephants in the wild. Among the more active organizations are the World Wildlife Fund and the World Conservation Union (IUCN). Zoos are also dedicated to promoting elephant survival, providing needed educational programs about this magnificent animal and its plight. The American Zoo and Aquarium Association has established captive breeding programs for elephants in an effort to prevent their extinction. Transporting elephants from the wild to zoo populations is now illegal, and if breeding programs are unsuccessful, the captive elephant population is projected to die out by the year 2030. Scientific classification: Elephants are members of the elephant family, Elephantidae, in the order Proboscidea. The savanna elephant is classified as Loxodonta africana; the forest elephant as Loxodonta cyclotis; and the Asian elephant as Elephas maximus. Contributed By: David George Gordon, B.S. Natural history and science writer. Author of The Eat-a-Bug Cookbook and The Compleat Cockroach: A Comprehensive Guide to the Most Despised (and Least Understood) Creature on Earth. Reviewed By: Russ Roach, B.S. Zookeeper, Woodland Park Zoo, Seattle. "Elephant," Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2006 http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2006 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved. © 1993-2006 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
  2. I have found that the smaller the server the more tatical the game gets and the better the game play, i tend to dodge out once the servers fill up.. 2 cents
  3. Though i didnt come this year, id be intrested in helping with the anti virus next year. After all thats what i do... six
  4. running 64 bit with no issues what so ever, and i am able to install drivers, your information is wrong. Ive disabled uac as i found it very annoying, but I like what they have done with it as i work for the geek squad and people are idiots. you can make vista look like win2k if you want but aero isnt bad. and if you want to call me a tool go right ahead, fan boy!!!!1! everything i have tried has worked so far. Theres one thing i cant get and thats 5.1 sound, it only gives me an option for 2.0 sound. see screenshots in my edit. six
  5. here here. sometimes i think we take our jobe a little to serious around here... time to chill out!
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  7. toledo if they can due to the larger cache size would be optimal
  8. yes yes(2000mhz >southBridge vs 800mhz > northbridge > soutbridge The same works equaly well, though 64 bit is suposidly faster... will work with vista
  9. So here goes. I'm listing only the specs, not mhz or rated speed. i only list the highest that they have for sse... Single core chips San Diego sse3 1mb L2 cache 90nm process Clawhammer sse2 1mb L2cache (note some have 512k) 130nm process Venice sse3 512k L2 cache 90nm process NewCastle sse2 512k L2 cache 130nm process Dual Cores Toledo sse3 128k+128k L1 cache 2x1mb L2 Cache 90nm (note the cache size here has doubled from the single cores. Manchester sse3 128k+128k L1 cache 2x512mb L2 Cache 90nm Opterons(i will only be going over the 939 versions 940 requires very expensive mbs) Venus sse3 1mb L2 90nm Denmark sse3 128k+128k L1 cache 2x1mb L2 Cache 90nm thats the difference, not much but something to keep an eye out for. do you need help understanding what all these different things mean?
  10. ok i will come up with something in a bit. but for now heres the jist venice are the newer amd64chips non dualcore. these added sse3 better cache and smaller die size. newcastle are the older one, stay away, venice and others are a better choice as they are later and better revisions. opteron refers to the server processor series. generaly more stable and with larger caches. usual will allways overclock like woah on stock cooling.
  11. ok makes sense. then thats the difference. pfft p4s consume way to much juice, what a joke pfft. lalala... no i see what your saying. just look for that then. correct me if im wrong but 8pin connectors mean the power supply is eps compliant? ive seen that with atx and with out atx next to it
  12. im just a little confused. so what your saying is that you want to compare a dual core processor to a non dual core... ? do you have the min and recomended requirments on the application were going to work with? p4 dual cores need to be matched with amd x2s p4 non dual cores need to be matched with amd single cores. the only case i would compare a single core amd to a dual p4 is if you were overclocking an opteron.
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  14. The best power supply on the market. Triple 12v rails. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16817703003 This guy Dual 12v rails. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16817151025
  15. That board zero has linked may be ok, I dont know much about it but its made buy asus so its got to be good. Zero keep in mind that hes not the one using the system, someone else is, stability is important. We all know optys can over clock but they are not certified to run on desktop boards, though the do, and that anytime you overclock the system bugs creep out of the wood work, maybe not right away but they do keep that in mind. Were not desiging a gaming machine here were making something do work for someones job / business. My friend runs xp64 bit on the asus I linked and has no issues using it. Most of the driver thing has worked ist self out. Though old stuff wont work with 64 and usual has no drivers, and thats the bottom line. What I suggest you do is tell us what mobo and cpu vid card and others hard that are going into the system and that way we can judge the system. Basicaly we need to know the specs. I do hope you read the links I posted and understand that the amds just kicked intels all overe the place. Even if you dont buy their 'high end' they still win over intel. arg I shudder to think that intel has used so much propiganda that people still think they are better. Amd64 cpus beat intel by mile stones due to the onboard memory controler and other improvements. For instance if you look at the ram timings, the tighter you go the faster you go. Intels setup technology wize is a generation behind amds. Thats a fact intel is a second rate product, they just throw horsepower at the problem instead of streamlining it. Sure you can make a brick fly, as long as it has enough power. Then take this into consideration. Power consumption. Even if you pay more for that amd, you'l have it back with in a year. It's a 40watt difference. I Back to how Amd rules the world. You realy need to read up on the technology behind their stuff integrated memory controler = faster access to the ram. faster access to the ram = faster reformance when pulling things off of the ram. Why do you thing conroe the next intell will have like 4megs of cache, well its because intel still hasent developed an memory controler solution that works well and they need the cash to makeup for what they loose else where. Amd will win the processor wars and I am their champion. Untill intel shows me that their technology is better. Note: If your looking into overclocking seriously look into dfi, they make some sweet stuff. Way more tweaking options than I have ever seen, even on my old asus, and my friends sli-deluxe. Dfi even has their own forms, they even will allow you to do minor modifications to the motherboard and if it breaks rma it. check this out www.dfi-street.com It's overclocking and general use forms that dfi employs 2 full time moderaotrs to help communicate and resolve issues with their products. See the articles that I just posted above, its more than just a little bit. Thats due to the massive ammounts of cache that they dump onto their cpus to makeup for what they lack in memory bandwith to the system ram. onece any chunk of data no longer fits on the cache they will start to dive bomb in preformance.
  16. Working on mb / cpu options. Most stable route. ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail 150 ish http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813131517 AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA4200BVBOX - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16819103547 Better value. Would be the mother board above and the opty. only concern is that the mb is not certifyed for opteron use. but i have not see or heard of any issues with that mb and opterons. in fact im using an opteron right now. AMD Opteron 170 Denmark 1000MHz HT 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor - Retail 400 ish http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16819103586 There are some other combos out there but im thinking your looking for stability. foxconn does make some amd motherboards out there but I dont know anything about them seem to be doing ok in the reviews on newegg though.
  17. Well in respects to amd vs intel, amd clearly wins http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/05/09/amd/page16.html After comparing the dent in your wallet, the other areas in which amd out preforms and and the fact your not supporting an evil company, after all the hired Dr. Evil Who wins in the austin powers movies. . . I mean amd just knocked out intel in this bit http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-1.html Raid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID For a desktop hdd application that demands preformance I would recomend: 1 Western digital Raptor for system drive, 150Gbs look better every day but a 74Gb could be more than enough, they are worth it. I have 2 in my computer, they fly. No real need to raid 0 with this guy but you could do raid 0 for preformance on the system drive. note it can be hard to make an image for this. we can dicuss this later though. . . Storage, is best done by getting 2 larger drives. Around the 300 gb range like you selected would be perfect. though you could do what ever you want. but any how raid-1 is the ticket here. Anyone that tells you you sould do raid 5 or something like that has to much money and raid 5 belongs in a server. Any questions feel free to ask me. BTW I work for the Geek Squad in mpls, nickname at work is Agent Hardware. . .
  18. auggy do you have aim or some other im, i have them all. i can perty much help answer all yoru questions. six
  19. ownt, I would like to own one but not at 599 bucks, ill buy a new videocard cpu and mobo for that
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