bushwack October 10, 2007 Share bushwack Member October 10, 2007 So I'm looking to get a new monitor between now and Christmas. If it was up to me I'd get it now but my wife likes me to wait for things. Maybe we can meet half way. I have a 19" Samsung CRT while it's been good to me it's time to can it. What im interested in is either a 20" std. (1600x1200) or a 22" widescreen (1680 x 1050) LCD. I figure they both have about the same real estate. Here's a few facts: a) I like old games and hardware. Anywhere from the mid 90's to now. Yes I have a dedicated DOS/Win95 machine. b ) I run a KVM switch. c) I have a 50" Panny in the living room so im not worried about watching movies on the new screen. How do the widescreens react to older games and hardware? What happens if I fire up Duke Nukem 3D in DOS or GLQuake on a 3Dfx Voodoo card? Any driver issues with Dos/Win95, widescreen or std.? Anyone run a KVM switch with their LCD? Is it possible to select the input on these monitors? Can you use the DVI for my Win XP comp and the VGA input for the KVM? Any personal experiences would be great. BTW I figure on spending around $300. Those 22" Chimei's are so cheap I could almost get 2 hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo October 10, 2007 Share Cujo Member October 10, 2007 yes about the inputs. you can switch back and forth. old games will work fine. it's all driver settings. you can have them stretch or maintain aspect ratio. go widescreen without hesitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly October 10, 2007 Share dragonfly Member October 10, 2007 Widescreen for sure. It's way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack October 24, 2007 Author Share bushwack Member October 24, 2007 Think I'm going to grab one of these LG L226WTQ. My question is with the 4:3 aspect ratio with widescreens. This LG you have to go into the OSD and hit several buttons to force 4:3, are all monitors this difficult to force? I was kinda hoping on just maybe a 1 button press next to the power button to switch back and forth between forcing aspect ratios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly October 24, 2007 Share dragonfly Member October 24, 2007 Pretty sure it's just a setting with mine, whether or not you want it to stretch or just run the res as is on teh monitor. What could you possibly want to run that's not in 16:10 though? Starcraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo October 25, 2007 Share Cujo Member October 25, 2007 it is most definitely a setting in your video drivers. the monitor may also have a setting but for sure it'll be in your video drivers. may want to reconsider lg. don't know about the 22s but the 24 got a pretty bad review: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/24inch.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymo October 25, 2007 Share anonymo Member October 25, 2007 Forcing the aspect ratio is something I have never really seen, it's probably unique to LG (maybe?). While you can set a 4:3 (5:4 for 1280x1024) ratios through software, it really only sets the resolution to that ratio and won't generally let you actually set the aspect ratio (ie it stretches the information instead of giving you black bars) Really I would want to know why you want to be able to use 4:3/5:4 ratio? I can't think of a reason other than the SC one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjester October 25, 2007 Share benjester Member October 25, 2007 (edited) I am running dual monitors at work... and then I have a KVM off of the vga off the second monitor. I just have to switch the input and I'm there. I do use two keyboards though... one for my pc, and one for the kvm... mainly because other people use my kvm as well. Otherwise I would run a splitter on my keyboard and mouse too. 20" WS Dell, and a 17" Dell. Edited October 25, 2007 by benjester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack October 26, 2007 Author Share bushwack Member October 26, 2007 It's a StarCraft thing as you put it. While it's been years since I have played SC, I play older games on older systems through a KVM. I have a P200 (430TX) Win95/DOS machine and a Celeron 300A (440BX) Win98SE machine. It's a toss up between the LG L226WTQ and Samsung's 204B 22 incher. On newegg they are rated about the same if not a little higher for the LG. There are not many reviews of the LG, I think the model is only a few months old while the Samsung is well over a year. The model number of the LG is one digit off at the end but can't be found on the LG site, guess it's a newegg exclusive. Bestbuy has the LG on sale this week for $279, I would have picked one up in town by now but they are sold out. I'd like to have a 24" but I'm limited to 300 bux right now, and I need a new one now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo October 26, 2007 Share Cujo Member October 26, 2007 i would go for the newer one obviously but i'd probably look at viewsonic and maybe asus before lg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack October 26, 2007 Author Share bushwack Member October 26, 2007 Just finished ordering the LG, taking the chance with it. I just need to pick it up sometime this weekend. That LG 24" was a different display type if i'm not mistaken and it didn't seem to be a good monitor by the review. Good thing about Bestbuy, if im not happy with the monitor i'll just take it back and get the Samsung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveForPriscillaChan October 26, 2007 Share LoveForPriscillaChan Member October 26, 2007 http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/...x.php/Main_Page that could possibly help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack October 27, 2007 Author Share bushwack Member October 27, 2007 (edited) Picked up the LG a few hours ago and been playing with it about a half an hour. So far the monitor is awesome. This thing totally blows my old Samsung 19" away, but it was made in 2001. Totally happy with my purchase, I'll give my review tomorrow. What does everyone run the brightness at? This thing is burning my retinas. Edited October 27, 2007 by bushwack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymo October 27, 2007 Share anonymo Member October 27, 2007 Picked up the LG a few hours ago and been playing with it about a half an hour. So far the monitor is awesome. This thing totally blows my old Samsung 19" away, but it was made in 2001. Totally happy with my purchase, I'll give my review tomorrow. What does everyone run the brightness at? This thing is burning my retinas. I think you'll be very happy with it. One thing I found right away with mine (Acer, same panels though) is that it doesn't like Windows turning off the monitor (you know you can set windows to power off the monitor after a certain amount of time)...it had an adverse effect on my monitors power supply it seems. I cranked the brightness way down on mine...otherwise I would get a tan (god forbid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tek-Almighty October 28, 2007 Share Tek-Almighty Member October 28, 2007 The 22" ACER AL2216W I currently use (and purchased 1 year ago for $300) was on sale on Newegg recently (2 days ago...so still may be) for $239... It is great for games...and has 1680 x 1050, 5ms response (g2g), HDCP, and DVI input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoften October 28, 2007 Share lostoften Member October 28, 2007 My LG 19" widescreen works w/o any issues, and is very pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack October 29, 2007 Author Share bushwack Member October 29, 2007 I was totally happy with the monitor till I went to use the magic 4:3 ratio button in the monitors OSD. Well it's not there. To find it I downloaded the online manual to see if I was overlooking it. Nope says it's there. So I looked at the manual on the CD that the driver was on and it doesn't mention the force 4:3 option. Eh? Maybe I got an earlier model the before they added that feature, Still waiting for LG to email me back. Second issue is ghosting, I guess that's what it is, this is my first LCD. Playing the Crysis demo, Flat Out 2, HOMM5 and watching movies I didn't notice anything. But playing UT 2004 looking around fast causes a slight smudging and I don't care for it, it's throwing my game off. (I still play 1-2 hours a day) It's like I'm not getting 60+ FPS anymore while I know I am. This is the first time I've seen an LCD in a gaming session so I don't know what to go by. Lex said he can't tell the difference between his LCD and CRT, can anyone else? Good thing I got it at Bestbuy, I'm going to take it back and get another one and hope these two issues are fixed with a replacement. If not I guess I'll grab the Samsung. If the "smudging" doesn't go away then I may just get another CRT. Otherwise the monitor rocks, glad I didn't get a 24" it would be too big -I would have to push it to the back of my desk. No dead pixels, it's crisp and has great colors right out of the box, just had to turn the brightness down. The base is on a lazy susan but it's not necessary, the horizontal viewing is is crazy, the vertical is typical. And now I can play anytime of the day (bay window in my comp room in the west). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo October 29, 2007 Share Cujo Member October 29, 2007 it took some adjustment for me when i first switched to lcd. about a week. yours could be worse or better than mine it's hard to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tek-Almighty October 29, 2007 Share Tek-Almighty Member October 29, 2007 I had a super high end 22" flat aperture CRT from NEC...was rockin. However, I love WS format and I really like the extra real estate of a WS monitor. Like I said...the ACER I bought is now on sale for $239...and I have no probs with it whatsoever. You'll get used to it after a while. Most people say you should not be able to see ghosting under 8ms response time. meh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly October 29, 2007 Share dragonfly Member October 29, 2007 My dell is 12ms I do believe, and it took about a week to get used to. Dont notice it at all now. Things are pretty though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack October 30, 2007 Author Share bushwack Member October 30, 2007 The more I use an LCD the less I like it. Between the slight ghosting (no more liquid smooth lifelike motion in FPS) that seems everyone says you get used to in a couple weeks. Now I am getting input lag too (well i had it the whole time just found the definition) that no one warned me about. It may not be much to some but it's enough to drive me crazy. I figure I'm taking my new LCD back this weekend and try to find a good 19" CRT to last me a couple more years until they perfect LCDs. I played the UT3 demo on my old CRT at 1600x1200 and looked wonderful, it's just that the refresh rate is 60hz at that rez and cause my eyes to bleed. I just need a new CRT that can the handle higher rez better. Seems newegg has a Veiwsonic for $200. Any other recommendations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly October 30, 2007 Share dragonfly Member October 30, 2007 Try a diff lcd first? Try the viewsonic out? I honestly love my lcd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo October 30, 2007 Share Cujo Member October 30, 2007 The more I use an LCD the less I like it. Between the slight ghosting (no more liquid smooth lifelike motion in FPS) that seems everyone says you get used to in a couple weeks. Now I am getting input lag too (well i had it the whole time just found the definition) that no one warned me about. It may not be much to some but it's enough to drive me crazy. I figure I'm taking my new LCD back this weekend and try to find a good 19" CRT to last me a couple more years until they perfect LCDs. I played the UT3 demo on my old CRT at 1600x1200 and looked wonderful, it's just that the refresh rate is 60hz at that rez and cause my eyes to bleed. I just need a new CRT that can the handle higher rez better. Seems newegg has a Veiwsonic for $200. Any other recommendations? i agree. return it and try a different brand first. if you still don't like it then look for a dell 22inch p1230. i have one sitting here that's on the way out. it'll do 1600x1200 at 100hz. i went to my 24inch lcd though and since the first week, have never looked back. note - you also may be able to find an hp p1230 as i know both dell and hp had a p1130. the 1130 only did 85hz at 16x12 though. i don't believe you'll find a 19inch that'll do 16x12 at anything about 85hz. personally, i much prefer 100hz to 85hz. 85 starts to hurt my eyes after a few minutes. 60hz don't get me started. i can't look at it for more than about 10 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfly October 30, 2007 Share dragonfly Member October 30, 2007 The more I use an LCD the less I like it. Between the slight ghosting (no more liquid smooth lifelike motion in FPS) that seems everyone says you get used to in a couple weeks. Now I am getting input lag too (well i had it the whole time just found the definition) that no one warned me about. It may not be much to some but it's enough to drive me crazy. I figure I'm taking my new LCD back this weekend and try to find a good 19" CRT to last me a couple more years until they perfect LCDs. I played the UT3 demo on my old CRT at 1600x1200 and looked wonderful, it's just that the refresh rate is 60hz at that rez and cause my eyes to bleed. I just need a new CRT that can the handle higher rez better. Seems newegg has a Veiwsonic for $200. Any other recommendations? i agree. return it and try a different brand first. if you still don't like it then look for a dell 22inch p1230. i have one sitting here that's on the way out. it'll do 1600x1200 at 100hz. i went to my 24inch lcd though and since the first week, have never looked back. note - you also may be able to find an hp p1230 as i know both dell and hp had a p1130. the 1130 only did 85hz at 16x12 though. i don't believe you'll find a 19inch that'll do 16x12 at anything about 85hz. personally, i much prefer 100hz to 85hz. 85 starts to hurt my eyes after a few minutes. 60hz don't get me started. i can't look at it for more than about 10 seconds. Isnt your dell set to 60hz? Or do you just force it higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo October 30, 2007 Share Cujo Member October 30, 2007 Isnt your dell set to 60hz? Or do you just force it higher? refresh rates on crt and lcd are completely different. lcd's don't have the flicker that crts do. crts are like looking at a light bulb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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