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finally saved the money to finish my computer.... still needs mobo cpu and ram. Undecided on which way to go.

 

 

P4 2.6 ghz 800fsb

2 PC3200 256 chips

Mobo

 

OR

 

AMD 2500+ 333fsb

2 PC3200 256 chips

Mobo

 

-Use the computer for a little bit of everything, just wondering if these will perform about the same with my current ATI 9500 Pro or if one will be more superior in all aspects ? Only difference in price would be for the Pentium which is a big price difference from AMD. Any imput is welcome and appreciated to help me decide which route to take. ^_^

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finally saved the money to finish my computer.... still needs mobo cpu and ram. Undecided on which way to go.

 

 

P4 2.6 ghz 800fsb

2 PC3200 256 chips

Mobo

 

OR

 

AMD 2500+ 333fsb

2 PC3200 256 chips

Mobo

 

-Use the computer for a little bit of everything, just wondering if these will perform about the same with my current ATI 9500 Pro or if one will be more superior in all aspects ? Only difference in price would be for the Pentium which is a big price difference from AMD. Any imput is welcome and appreciated to help me decide which route to take.    ^_^

You can get a AMD 2800+ for $30 less than an Intel P4 2.6 800.

 

But....the AMD2800+ performs less than a P4 2.2Ghz for things like mp3 encoding, but performs better for gaming than a P4 2.8

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I run a P4...2.8ghz C and i love it...so i would go with the P4 2.6 or 2.8...2.6 is less and 2.8 is like what $70 more for just 200 mhz faster...so....P4

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pieced together what im prob going to be ordering this week, so ok ?

 

Asus nForce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard for AMD Processors, Model "A7N8X-E Deluxe" RETAIL

Specifications:

Supported CPU: Socket A AMD Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron Processors

Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP-T

FSB: 400/333/266/200MHz

RAM: 3x DIMM support Dual Channel DDR400/333/266/200(Non-ECC) Max 3GB

IDE: 2x ATA133

Slots: 1x AGP Pro 8X, 5x PCI

Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,2xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),SPDIF Out,Audio Ports

Onboard Audio: NVIDIA SoundStorm APU + Realtek ALC650 6-Channel Codec

Onboard LAN: Realtek 8201BL 10/100Mbps + Marvell 88E8001 GbE

Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1

Onboard 1394: Realtek 8801B, 2 Ports

Form Factor: $121.99

 

 

AMD Athlon XP 2600+ "Barton", 333MHz FSB, 512K Cache Processor - OEM

Specification

Model: AMD Athlon XP 2600+

Core: Barton

Operating Frequency: 1.9GHz

FSB: 333MHz

Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K

Voltage: 1.65V

Process: 0.13Micron

Socket: Socket A

Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+

Packaging: OEM(Processor Only) $99.00

 

 

2 Kinmax 184 Pin 256MB PC-3500 - OEM

Specification

Manufacturer: Kinmax

Speed: DDR433(PC3500)

Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM

Error Checking: Non-ECC

Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered

Cas Latency: 2.5

Support Voltage: 2.6V

Bandwidth: 3.5GB/s

Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit

Warranty: Lifetime $44.00 x2 $88.00

 

 

ASUS CRW-5224A BLACK 52X24X52 CD-RW Drive, 2M, Retail

Specifications:

Write Speed: 52X CD-R, 24X CD-RW,52X CD-ROM

Read Speed: 52X CD-ROM/CD-R

Interface: EIDE ATA

Buffer: 2 MB

OS Support: Windows XP/ ME/ 2000/ 98SE, and Mac OS

Features: Buffer Underrun Errors Prevention Technology

Remark: Retail Pack $41.99

 

 

Thermaltake Volcano 11+ Xaser Edition,Opti-fin technology, made of All Copper.

Specification:

Compatibility: AthlonXP up to 3400+

Dimensions: 80x80x55 mm

Bearing Type: 2 Ball

Nominal Speed(RPM): 1300~4800

Max Air Flow:(CFM): 20.55~75.70

Max Pressure: 1.45~8.43 mm H2O

Heat Sink Material: Copper

Rated Voltage: 12 VDC

Noise(dBA): 17~48

Special Features: Temp.control fan speed auto control setting.Temp. sensor attaches to heat sink. $28.99

 

 

Antec Thermal Grease.

Features:

Thermal Resistance: 0.05 C/W

Color: White

Material: Silicone compounds

Weight: 1g/Packet $2.49

 

 

 

 

Subtotal » $382.46

 

 

I really wanted to try a Pentium since ive never had one but the price difference is a little to much for me i think. With my current case, fans, 400w psu, Radeon 9500 Pro, etc.. i think this will get me a computer that i wont have to upgrade for a little while i hope. If no one sees any problems with things i listed then ill be oredering this stuff this week ! :boing:^_^

 

changed from PC3200 to PC3500 ram since ill prob be OC'in cpu to 2.2-2.3 ghz

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to save some money you could get a different mobo so that it matched the FSB of your proc, but if you plan on upgrading again then i guess you would stick with it, since i hear that board has amazing stability and performance.

 

you might want to look into your ram, my friend has had problems with realiability with any type of valueram, just a heads up.

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all I have to say is if you go AMD read THIS which Im sure you have.

 

all you have to do with a barton 2500+ is jack the fsb up to 400 and you have a 3200+ except you only paid $85 instead of $315 :ph34r: Those bartons that run on 333 fsb are extremely overclockable.

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I would get a 2500+ instead of a 2600+

 

Cheaper and i dont know if the 2600+ overclocks as well as the 2500+

I would go with an ABIt board instead of asus

the ABit nf7-s ver 2.0 overclocks better than the asus and is cheaper

 

other than that

nice system.

I would go with a ThermalRight all copper heatsink instead of Tt

the thermalright coppers are the best air cooled sinks around

and go with Artic silver 3 or 5 and not the antec compound

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I run both AMD and now a p4...Ill put it as basic as I can. Bottom line Intel > AMD......now when you take into consideration the price vs. performance, AMD wins hands down. Both are good processors, if you have money to burn go Intel, if your lookign scrimp and save a few bucks, you can go wrong with AMD.

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P4 BY FARRRRR!!!!! Looks at some benchmarks on tomshardware.com and u'll see that even a 2.4C will beat even the 2800+ at like... everything. And u can bet your donkey that a 2.6C will beat a little 2500+...

 

I WOULD recommend a different motherboard, though. Let tomshardware.com and/or anandtech.com be your guide for that, too. They are the best PC hardware sites EVER. The forums on anandtech are superb, also, as well as the ones on arstechnica.com.

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Tom's Hardware

lol

i wouldnt trust a word they said

Nothing against you

But i dont like them at all

I heard they sold their soul to Nvidia and Intel long ago and no one trusts their numbers, or opinions for anything

 

Anadtech.com is a legit site and so is ARs

 

but not tom's

sorry to disagree with you.

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Tom's is a great site with great info. Often they've put themselves in the middle of arguments between the Intel and AMD clubs and gotten bloodied in the process. Both sides have accussed Tom's as pandering to the other.

 

In a few instances they have revised their benchmark numbers after learning of 'dirty tricks', 'special drivers', or otherwise hopped up systems. Then the poo starts flying and everyone gets bored of AMD vs Intel after a while, etc. so they start picking on Tom's. "I heard that Tom's did this or that...", eh well.

 

Ever since Tom posted this editorial I noticed that Shacknews and some others stopped linking news items to Tom's. He laid it out there and called names. Many didn't like that and got their undies in a bundle. Ooooh, flame wars on the 'net - as if it should be all taken as the gospel. I think Kyle Bennett is the one who runs HardOCP, which when the article was written, was more or less the toilet of the 'net hardware review sites. It's cleaned up a bunch since then.

 

I'm indifferent to Tom naming names, I don't have the emotional investment that some do. Obviously it was a less than stellar PR move on his part, but maybe it was calculated and he wanted those calling him names to go away. I'm looking for news, reviews, and new products not gossip and flamez.

 

I still read Tom's daily because it has new daily content. Other sites, even Anandtech, can't match the critical mass of reporters and reviews of Tom's. I hope they do someday.

 

*edit: I've never picked up on whether Tom or his reviewers had a bent toward ATi or nVidia, AMD or Intel, etc. other than the obvious trends of stating that at certain times one does better than the other in overal performance or price. I think the calls of bias are just whining.

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Thank everyone for the help and input, gonna shell out the extra for Pentium.

 

Antec Silver Thermal Compound,Model:77063,Retail.

Features:

1. Made with 99% pure micronized Silver

2. 75% to 80% Silver content by weight

3. Extended temperature limits:-60 C to 170 C

4. Thermal Conductivity:8.2 W/mK

5. Thermal Resistance:0.0022C/W more info>

N82E16835129001 $9.99

$9.99

 

Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)

Zalman CNPS5700D-CU Pure Copper CPU Cooler for Socket 423/478. Package includes - FHS(Flower HeatSink) Assembly (CNPS5700D-Cu) , Thermal Grease, FanMate-1. Manual. Support CPUs - Intel Pentium 4 (2.0GHz or higher). Retail.

Specifications:

Supported Socket type:423/478

Dimensions: (with Air Duct) 125(L) x 125(W) x 150(H) mm

Dimensions: (without Air Duct) 125(L) x 125(W) x 67(H) mm

HeatSink Material: Base Material Pure Copper, Dissipation Area 1270 cm2

Thermal Resistance Silent Mode 0.37 Deg.C/W -Normal Mode 0.27 Deg.C/W more info>

N82E16835118104 $22.99

$22.99

 

Memory (System Memory)

2 Kingston HyperX Series 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200

Specification

Manufacturer: Kingston

Speed: DDR400(PC3200)

Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM

Error Checking: Non-ECC

Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered

Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6 1T

Support Voltage: 2.6V

Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s

Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit

Warranty: Lifetime more info>

N82E16820144111 $58.00

$116.00

 

Motherboards - Intel

ASUS 865PE Motherboard for Intel Pentium 4/Celeron Processors, 800MHz FSB Model "P4P800" Retail

Specifications:

Supported CPU: Socket 478 Pentium 4/Celeron Processors

Chipset: 865PE + ICH5R

FSB: 800/533/400MHz

RAM: 4x DIMM support Dual Channel DDR400/333/266 Max 4GB

IDE: 2x Ultra DMA ATA100/66 up to 4 Devices

Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI

Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,1xLAN,SPDIF Out,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports

Onboard Audio: AD1985 6-Channel Codec

Onboard LAN: 3COM Gigabit Ethernet

Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA 150,RAID 0

Form Factor: ATX more info>

N82E16813131459 $109.99

$109.99

 

Processors

Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - OEM

Specification

Model: Intel Pentium 4 2.8C w/ Hyper Threading

Core: Northwood

Operating Frequency: 2.8GHz

FSB: 800MHz

Cache: L1/12K+8K; L2/512K

Voltage: 1.525V

Process: 0.13Micron

Socket: Socket 478

Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2

Packaging: OEM more info>

N82E16819116162 $208.00

$208.00

 

 

Subtotal » $466.97

 

 

Gonna order today or tomm, ill let ya know how she score on 3DMark.

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Theres have been many times when ive seen things tomshardware has done that many other tech sites completely disagree with

 

Although tomshardware is a big operation with lots of information, there are things that the reviewers have been known to do that are fishy

 

that along with the fact that they totally have a fascist attitude towards anything they are involved in makes me wonder if any one could trust the people that publish stuff on that site

 

A lan party in lousville this past summer is a perfect example of how controlling tomshardware is.

 

They made some big mistakes in the way they handled the guests and sponsers at that huge event and i dont think i could ever read their site without thinking bout what happened back in the summer.

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http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....y=BROWSE&depa=1

 

or this

 

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....y=BROWSE&depa=1

 

make sure you get non a 3200, but to be perfectly honest the 3000 is exactly the same and everyone is geeting 3700 speeds from it, check here http://forum.oc-forums.com/showthread.php?...threadid=237964

 

hope that helps, i overclock all my computers and i found memory is almost more important than a good processor. o and for reference my corsair 3200ll v1.1 has bh-5 and does 442 mhz 2-2-2-5 memtest86 aproved! gl and lets see some benchmarks when you get set up.

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