All Kill3r December 6, 2003 Share All Kill3r Member December 6, 2003 finally saved the money to finish my computer.... still needs mobo cpu and ram. Undecided on which way to go. P4 2.6 ghz 800fsb 2 PC3200 256 chips Mobo OR AMD 2500+ 333fsb 2 PC3200 256 chips Mobo -Use the computer for a little bit of everything, just wondering if these will perform about the same with my current ATI 9500 Pro or if one will be more superior in all aspects ? Only difference in price would be for the Pentium which is a big price difference from AMD. Any imput is welcome and appreciated to help me decide which route to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet-401 December 6, 2003 Share bullet-401 Member December 6, 2003 AMD is better for gaming and P4 is better for encoding "legal" movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mmmm]Homer December 6, 2003 Share [Mmmm]Homer Member December 6, 2003 P4 I find the 800mhz FSB bus to be the compelling factor, it seems fery responsive. And I'm getting tired of AMD cooling, it's not bad but I wish I could build a silent AMD. The P4 does have a price premium though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the.rev December 6, 2003 Share Guest the.rev Guests December 6, 2003 AMD AMD!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Premier December 6, 2003 Share DJ Premier Member December 6, 2003 finally saved the money to finish my computer.... still needs mobo cpu and ram. Undecided on which way to go. P4 2.6 ghz 800fsb 2 PC3200 256 chips Mobo OR AMD 2500+ 333fsb 2 PC3200 256 chips Mobo -Use the computer for a little bit of everything, just wondering if these will perform about the same with my current ATI 9500 Pro or if one will be more superior in all aspects ? Only difference in price would be for the Pentium which is a big price difference from AMD. Any imput is welcome and appreciated to help me decide which route to take. You can get a AMD 2800+ for $30 less than an Intel P4 2.6 800. But....the AMD2800+ performs less than a P4 2.2Ghz for things like mp3 encoding, but performs better for gaming than a P4 2.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Inferno December 6, 2003 Share Guest Inferno Guests December 6, 2003 I run a P4...2.8ghz C and i love it...so i would go with the P4 2.6 or 2.8...2.6 is less and 2.8 is like what $70 more for just 200 mhz faster...so....P4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Kill3r December 6, 2003 Author Share All Kill3r Member December 6, 2003 (edited) pieced together what im prob going to be ordering this week, so ok ? Asus nForce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard for AMD Processors, Model "A7N8X-E Deluxe" RETAIL Specifications: Supported CPU: Socket A AMD Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron Processors Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP-T FSB: 400/333/266/200MHz RAM: 3x DIMM support Dual Channel DDR400/333/266/200(Non-ECC) Max 3GB IDE: 2x ATA133 Slots: 1x AGP Pro 8X, 5x PCI Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,2xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 4),SPDIF Out,Audio Ports Onboard Audio: NVIDIA SoundStorm APU + Realtek ALC650 6-Channel Codec Onboard LAN: Realtek 8201BL 10/100Mbps + Marvell 88E8001 GbE Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1 Onboard 1394: Realtek 8801B, 2 Ports Form Factor: $121.99 AMD Athlon XP 2600+ "Barton", 333MHz FSB, 512K Cache Processor - OEM Specification Model: AMD Athlon XP 2600+ Core: Barton Operating Frequency: 1.9GHz FSB: 333MHz Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K Voltage: 1.65V Process: 0.13Micron Socket: Socket A Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+ Packaging: OEM(Processor Only) $99.00 2 Kinmax 184 Pin 256MB PC-3500 - OEM Specification Manufacturer: Kinmax Speed: DDR433(PC3500) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: Non-ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered Cas Latency: 2.5 Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.5GB/s Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit Warranty: Lifetime $44.00 x2 $88.00 ASUS CRW-5224A BLACK 52X24X52 CD-RW Drive, 2M, Retail Specifications: Write Speed: 52X CD-R, 24X CD-RW,52X CD-ROM Read Speed: 52X CD-ROM/CD-R Interface: EIDE ATA Buffer: 2 MB OS Support: Windows XP/ ME/ 2000/ 98SE, and Mac OS Features: Buffer Underrun Errors Prevention Technology Remark: Retail Pack $41.99 Thermaltake Volcano 11+ Xaser Edition,Opti-fin technology, made of All Copper. Specification: Compatibility: AthlonXP up to 3400+ Dimensions: 80x80x55 mm Bearing Type: 2 Ball Nominal Speed(RPM): 1300~4800 Max Air Flow:(CFM): 20.55~75.70 Max Pressure: 1.45~8.43 mm H2O Heat Sink Material: Copper Rated Voltage: 12 VDC Noise(dBA): 17~48 Special Features: Temp.control fan speed auto control setting.Temp. sensor attaches to heat sink. $28.99 Antec Thermal Grease. Features: Thermal Resistance: 0.05 C/W Color: White Material: Silicone compounds Weight: 1g/Packet $2.49 Subtotal » $382.46 I really wanted to try a Pentium since ive never had one but the price difference is a little to much for me i think. With my current case, fans, 400w psu, Radeon 9500 Pro, etc.. i think this will get me a computer that i wont have to upgrade for a little while i hope. If no one sees any problems with things i listed then ill be oredering this stuff this week ! changed from PC3200 to PC3500 ram since ill prob be OC'in cpu to 2.2-2.3 ghz Edited December 7, 2003 by All Kill3r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy December 6, 2003 Share Jiffy Member December 6, 2003 to save some money you could get a different mobo so that it matched the FSB of your proc, but if you plan on upgrading again then i guess you would stick with it, since i hear that board has amazing stability and performance. you might want to look into your ram, my friend has had problems with realiability with any type of valueram, just a heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOFX December 6, 2003 Share NOFX Member December 6, 2003 (edited) all I have to say is if you go AMD read THIS which Im sure you have. all you have to do with a barton 2500+ is jack the fsb up to 400 and you have a 3200+ except you only paid $85 instead of $315 Those bartons that run on 333 fsb are extremely overclockable. Edited December 6, 2003 by NOFX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenger December 6, 2003 Share Kenger Member December 6, 2003 I bought amd. I wish i would have saved my money and bought a p4. Much much faster. Mine is a amd 2700 2.14ghz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman December 7, 2003 Share Birdman Member December 7, 2003 I would get a 2500+ instead of a 2600+ Cheaper and i dont know if the 2600+ overclocks as well as the 2500+ I would go with an ABIt board instead of asus the ABit nf7-s ver 2.0 overclocks better than the asus and is cheaper other than that nice system. I would go with a ThermalRight all copper heatsink instead of Tt the thermalright coppers are the best air cooled sinks around and go with Artic silver 3 or 5 and not the antec compound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mmmm]Ghost December 7, 2003 Share [Mmmm]Ghost Member December 7, 2003 I run both AMD and now a p4...Ill put it as basic as I can. Bottom line Intel > AMD......now when you take into consideration the price vs. performance, AMD wins hands down. Both are good processors, if you have money to burn go Intel, if your lookign scrimp and save a few bucks, you can go wrong with AMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannibalisticH0b0 December 7, 2003 Share CannibalisticH0b0 Member December 7, 2003 (edited) P4 BY FARRRRR!!!!! Looks at some benchmarks on tomshardware.com and u'll see that even a 2.4C will beat even the 2800+ at like... everything. And u can bet your donkey that a 2.6C will beat a little 2500+... I WOULD recommend a different motherboard, though. Let tomshardware.com and/or anandtech.com be your guide for that, too. They are the best PC hardware sites EVER. The forums on anandtech are superb, also, as well as the ones on arstechnica.com. Edited December 7, 2003 by CannibalisticH0b0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman December 8, 2003 Share Birdman Member December 8, 2003 Tom's Hardware lol i wouldnt trust a word they said Nothing against you But i dont like them at all I heard they sold their soul to Nvidia and Intel long ago and no one trusts their numbers, or opinions for anything Anadtech.com is a legit site and so is ARs but not tom's sorry to disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mmmm]Homer December 8, 2003 Share [Mmmm]Homer Member December 8, 2003 Tom's is a great site with great info. Often they've put themselves in the middle of arguments between the Intel and AMD clubs and gotten bloodied in the process. Both sides have accussed Tom's as pandering to the other. In a few instances they have revised their benchmark numbers after learning of 'dirty tricks', 'special drivers', or otherwise hopped up systems. Then the poo starts flying and everyone gets bored of AMD vs Intel after a while, etc. so they start picking on Tom's. "I heard that Tom's did this or that...", eh well. Ever since Tom posted this editorial I noticed that Shacknews and some others stopped linking news items to Tom's. He laid it out there and called names. Many didn't like that and got their undies in a bundle. Ooooh, flame wars on the 'net - as if it should be all taken as the gospel. I think Kyle Bennett is the one who runs HardOCP, which when the article was written, was more or less the toilet of the 'net hardware review sites. It's cleaned up a bunch since then. I'm indifferent to Tom naming names, I don't have the emotional investment that some do. Obviously it was a less than stellar PR move on his part, but maybe it was calculated and he wanted those calling him names to go away. I'm looking for news, reviews, and new products not gossip and flamez. I still read Tom's daily because it has new daily content. Other sites, even Anandtech, can't match the critical mass of reporters and reviews of Tom's. I hope they do someday. *edit: I've never picked up on whether Tom or his reviewers had a bent toward ATi or nVidia, AMD or Intel, etc. other than the obvious trends of stating that at certain times one does better than the other in overal performance or price. I think the calls of bias are just whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickfoot December 8, 2003 Share quickfoot Member December 8, 2003 change the kingmax to kingston KHX 3000/3200 trust me on this one its only 20 dollars more. and uses the best memory chips available for what your needs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Kill3r December 8, 2003 Author Share All Kill3r Member December 8, 2003 (edited) Thank everyone for the help and input, gonna shell out the extra for Pentium. Antec Silver Thermal Compound,Model:77063,Retail. Features: 1. Made with 99% pure micronized Silver 2. 75% to 80% Silver content by weight 3. Extended temperature limits:-60 C to 170 C 4. Thermal Conductivity:8.2 W/mK 5. Thermal Resistance:0.0022C/W more info> N82E16835129001 $9.99 $9.99 Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset) Zalman CNPS5700D-CU Pure Copper CPU Cooler for Socket 423/478. Package includes - FHS(Flower HeatSink) Assembly (CNPS5700D-Cu) , Thermal Grease, FanMate-1. Manual. Support CPUs - Intel Pentium 4 (2.0GHz or higher). Retail. Specifications: Supported Socket type:423/478 Dimensions: (with Air Duct) 125(L) x 125(W) x 150(H) mm Dimensions: (without Air Duct) 125(L) x 125(W) x 67(H) mm HeatSink Material: Base Material Pure Copper, Dissipation Area 1270 cm2 Thermal Resistance Silent Mode 0.37 Deg.C/W -Normal Mode 0.27 Deg.C/W more info> N82E16835118104 $22.99 $22.99 Memory (System Memory) 2 Kingston HyperX Series 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200 Specification Manufacturer: Kingston Speed: DDR400(PC3200) Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM Error Checking: Non-ECC Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6 1T Support Voltage: 2.6V Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit Warranty: Lifetime more info> N82E16820144111 $58.00 $116.00 Motherboards - Intel ASUS 865PE Motherboard for Intel Pentium 4/Celeron Processors, 800MHz FSB Model "P4P800" Retail Specifications: Supported CPU: Socket 478 Pentium 4/Celeron Processors Chipset: 865PE + ICH5R FSB: 800/533/400MHz RAM: 4x DIMM support Dual Channel DDR400/333/266 Max 4GB IDE: 2x Ultra DMA ATA100/66 up to 4 Devices Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,1xLAN,SPDIF Out,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports Onboard Audio: AD1985 6-Channel Codec Onboard LAN: 3COM Gigabit Ethernet Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x Serial ATA 150,RAID 0 Form Factor: ATX more info> N82E16813131459 $109.99 $109.99 Processors Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - OEM Specification Model: Intel Pentium 4 2.8C w/ Hyper Threading Core: Northwood Operating Frequency: 2.8GHz FSB: 800MHz Cache: L1/12K+8K; L2/512K Voltage: 1.525V Process: 0.13Micron Socket: Socket 478 Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2 Packaging: OEM more info> N82E16819116162 $208.00 $208.00 Subtotal » $466.97 Gonna order today or tomm, ill let ya know how she score on 3DMark. Edited December 8, 2003 by All Kill3r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOFX December 8, 2003 Share NOFX Member December 8, 2003 ^ looks good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman December 8, 2003 Share Birdman Member December 8, 2003 Theres have been many times when ive seen things tomshardware has done that many other tech sites completely disagree with Although tomshardware is a big operation with lots of information, there are things that the reviewers have been known to do that are fishy that along with the fact that they totally have a fascist attitude towards anything they are involved in makes me wonder if any one could trust the people that publish stuff on that site A lan party in lousville this past summer is a perfect example of how controlling tomshardware is. They made some big mistakes in the way they handled the guests and sponsers at that huge event and i dont think i could ever read their site without thinking bout what happened back in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman December 8, 2003 Share Birdman Member December 8, 2003 Nice future setup u got coming by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickfoot December 8, 2003 Share quickfoot Member December 8, 2003 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....y=BROWSE&depa=1 or this http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....y=BROWSE&depa=1 make sure you get non a 3200, but to be perfectly honest the 3000 is exactly the same and everyone is geeting 3700 speeds from it, check here http://forum.oc-forums.com/showthread.php?...threadid=237964 hope that helps, i overclock all my computers and i found memory is almost more important than a good processor. o and for reference my corsair 3200ll v1.1 has bh-5 and does 442 mhz 2-2-2-5 memtest86 aproved! gl and lets see some benchmarks when you get set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Kill3r December 8, 2003 Author Share All Kill3r Member December 8, 2003 all ordered. kinda excited ! oh yea, may be a bit of a waste of money but since i went pentium and spent that extra loot i went ahead and upgraded to 2 512 sticks of ram instead of 2 256 chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiffy December 8, 2003 Share Jiffy Member December 8, 2003 those are my plans as well, tell me how it do! looks kinda like mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman December 9, 2003 Share Birdman Member December 9, 2003 A buddy here in the dorm built a similar system a couple months ago and it really nice He has a Fx5900 ultra but everything else is bout the same I think youll be happy with that system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOFX December 9, 2003 Share NOFX Member December 9, 2003 hope that helps, i overclock all my computers and i found memory is almost more important than a good processor. I just found this out, im never buying value ram again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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