radical187 September 9, 2012 Share radical187 Member September 9, 2012 Wont be able to make it, going to be out all night. If the test goes on tonight hope it works well, looking forward to trying this out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonerrrr September 10, 2012 Share tonerrrr Member September 10, 2012 TEST WENT WELL, WILL PLAY ON SARVAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan September 10, 2012 Author Share JackieChan GC Alumni September 10, 2012 On Versus, it'll run better. I'm going to have to make more adjustments, bug fixes and the like before a second server is considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan September 18, 2012 Author Share JackieChan GC Alumni September 18, 2012 I'm going to reach out to everyone and ask something a bit more difficult for everyone. I want to hold a 10v10 (or close to it) test. One team MAY not be able to participate in the class system...it would just depend on how long it would take. Also, we did run into a problem with the classes in which at least one person was stuck playing Civilian for almost an entire campaign. I'm also reaching out to you guys on how we can tackle this issue. Besides volunteering to be apart of the Versus test, any suggestions on how we can remedy the problem have to be serious and thought-out as I've been thinking of ways to do this and thinking of ways those solutions could fail. I don't want silly suggestions or I'm gonna forum warn ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs September 18, 2012 Share Biggs GC Alumni September 18, 2012 (edited) Been thinking about it as well... Current problem: Players who connect more slowly or type slowly etc. get stuck as the Civilian class. Solution A: Blow away class limits (or at least allow more of each class). Lets everyone pick whatever they want, gangnam tf2 style This would require balancing the classes a bit--we don't want 10 medics on a team, or 10 assault, etc. Solution B: Just semi-randomly assign the classes, perhaps so no one can be the same class two rounds in a row. Soultion C: Some combination of A and B? No # limit on classes, but you can't play the same class twice in a row? Other solutions? Let's hear em! Edited September 18, 2012 by Biggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs September 18, 2012 Share Biggs GC Alumni September 18, 2012 If we go with Solution A... (no limits to each class) here are some of my ideas for the classes to try to balance them with each other: Assault gets: a randomly picked 'assault' type gun at the start (ak47, m4, or scar) Sniper gets: a randomly picked 'sniper' type gun at the start (scout, hunting rifle, military sniper, AWP) Medic gets: unlimited medpacks (60s cooldown) a deagle at the start--no primary gun Support gets: a free tier1 shotgun at the start (chrome or wood) unlimited team fire bullets (5m or more cooldown) can drop a single ammo pile per map Civilian gets: a free 'smg' gun at the start (mac10, silenced, or mp5) a free random melee weapon at the start unlimited random throwables (3m cooldown) can pick up the medic's medpack, but healing players takes twice as long (not sure if this is possible, but makes it so you're not totally screwed if your medic(s) die) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavC September 18, 2012 Share mavC Member September 18, 2012 (edited) I like most the idea of randomly assign the classes. You'll never going to know what you're gonna be and everyone got to learn how to be different classes, just not one of them. This is gonna bring some issues, like someone pushing someone else that he's not "that good" to being the class assigned. But this is all about teamwork. *edit Fixed =D Edited September 18, 2012 by Biggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codrut September 19, 2012 Share Codrut GC Coalition Member September 19, 2012 All random would be the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan September 19, 2012 Author Share JackieChan GC Alumni September 19, 2012 All random would be the best. Note: This would also be the easiest to implement. I'm just afraid of if everything is random, people are going to be yelling at newbs even more often than they are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky September 19, 2012 Share Sky Member September 19, 2012 If you don't go the random route, a simple solution would involve allowing the players who were civilians the previous round to have first pick at their new class. This ensures they don't play as civilians a second round in a row unless they choose to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs September 19, 2012 Share Biggs GC Alumni September 19, 2012 Had thought about trying that Sky. I didn't like that option because it will make the pre-round 'setup' time even longer, and I think it would put new players under the gun even more than normal, becuase they'll be slowing down the start of the round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masgnoh September 21, 2012 Share Masgnoh Member September 21, 2012 with a more team based play, you'll have more experienced players frustrated at less skilled players. it'd be great if you could like implement new steam id's being set aside into a tutorial pit where they'd learn all the classes =O ok, i know that's not possible, but i don't like the idea of choosing. although i also don't like random since there are some classes that i just would not want to play. how about this for an idea: the civilians are mains and only they earn points at the end of the round. since the assualt team is trying to protect them. kinda like protecting the weakest links. I think it'd be especially good cuz then there would be absolutely no rushing by anyone. either everyone makes it or dies trying! random is also bad if you think about it. imagine a foreigner/noob getting the medic position and NEVER healing. Totally possible. I think it should be like... hard coded that an experienced player get the medic position and not some joe blow who bought l4d2 the night before and just finished dl'ing it and i'm not sure if it's been suggested, but why not make it expert campaign with beefed up infected? i've seen mods where charger runs like a bullet train and tanks glows different colors depending on what type of tank they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavC September 21, 2012 Share mavC Member September 21, 2012 (edited) with a more team based play, you'll have more experienced players frustrated at less skilled players. it'd be great if you could like implement new steam id's being set aside into a tutorial pit where they'd learn all the classes =O ok, i know that's not possible, but i don't like the idea of choosing. although i also don't like random since there are some classes that i just would not want to play. how about this for an idea: the civilians are mains and only they earn points at the end of the round. since the assualt team is trying to protect them. kinda like protecting the weakest links. I think it'd be especially good cuz then there would be absolutely no rushing by anyone. either everyone makes it or dies trying! random is also bad if you think about it. imagine a foreigner/noob getting the medic position and NEVER healing. Totally possible. I think it should be like... hard coded that an experienced player get the medic position and not some joe blow who bought l4d2 the night before and just finished dl'ing it and i'm not sure if it's been suggested, but why not make it expert campaign with beefed up infected? i've seen mods where charger runs like a bullet train and tanks glows different colors depending on what type of tank they are. Yeah, i thought of this alot. The bad thing is that i think that the choosing of the mains is not something that Jackie can code. If this is true we cannot guarantee that all the civilian will be mains. So... But maybe i'm wrong and Jackie can make the code for the script. PD: Maybe for the new guys could be something like if they don't have more than 20 or 30 hours playing on the server they will be civilians, if not, a random class. If everyone or more than 80% are new.... well, something is gonna made up in all of our minds. Edited September 21, 2012 by mavC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan September 21, 2012 Author Share JackieChan GC Alumni September 21, 2012 You can't select who can be and main and who can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattKemp September 22, 2012 Share MattKemp Member September 22, 2012 Let me know when you want to have another test, I should be free most all weeknights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky September 24, 2012 Share Sky Member September 24, 2012 You can't select who shows up as the mains on the scoreboard, but you can choose which of the survivors, if any, contributes to the actual score, using prodigysim's beautiful left 4 dead 2 direct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan September 30, 2012 Author Share JackieChan GC Alumni September 30, 2012 Everyone, I need about 19 volunteers for this test event because it's going to be a 10v10 deal. It's going to be hard to schedule, but if we can get some last minute "show-ups", we can pull this off. Who all wants to get in on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNGHuntard September 30, 2012 Share TNGHuntard Member September 30, 2012 When is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan September 30, 2012 Author Share JackieChan GC Alumni September 30, 2012 Depending on how many people volunteer, next week, or the week after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude September 30, 2012 Share TheDude Member September 30, 2012 I'm definitely in. Just say the time and i'll see if i can make it. (just have to add 6 hours to your time to find out what time it would be here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masgnoh September 30, 2012 Share Masgnoh Member September 30, 2012 If you can't choose who's going to be main, how about the opposite, mains become civs? I know I'm throwing stuff (ideas) at the wall (jackie's brain) just seeing if any stick and jackie, you may not appreciate me throwing stuff at your head, but that's because I have no idea how to code plugins and what the constraints are, so sorry -_-;; You can't select who shows up as the mains on the scoreboard, but you can choose which of the survivors, if any, contributes to the actual score, using prodigysim's beautiful left 4 dead 2 direct. i don't quite understand this, so do you mean this 'direct' chooses which survivors at the end give points, or like with mains, points for traveling across the map? because if it's the latter, then that's pretty much perfect. if noobdude's going to participate, so am i. i sporadically check the forums tho, so if possible pm me when it's test time? I'm always on steam, dude i'm talking to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloosh September 30, 2012 Share Baloosh Member September 30, 2012 I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan September 30, 2012 Author Share JackieChan GC Alumni September 30, 2012 For the 10v10 test, I plan on making class selection be random. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavC October 1, 2012 Share mavC Member October 1, 2012 I'm in, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookback October 1, 2012 Share Lookback Member October 1, 2012 Just say when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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