RiZad September 11, 2003 Share RiZad Member September 11, 2003 prolong their life? from what? 20 years to 40 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gond September 11, 2003 Share Gond Member September 11, 2003 LOL...good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters September 11, 2003 Author Share gOOters Member September 11, 2003 Thanks DJ! I am still gathering my information before I pull the trigger. YOU make some great points. Especially about the MoBo. These days...it seems alot of motherboards have built in sound...I heard it is a pain in the arse sometimes to disable the stock sound card and switch to a better 3D sound card...what better way than to get a MoBo with great sound built in and forgo the effort and purchase of a seperate card! Besides I need the sound to continue my thru the wall AWP h4x. Question: With a system like we are discussing here, will I be able to play HL2? That is...once I get down the road a little when I can afford that 9800Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX1138 September 11, 2003 Share THX1138 Member September 11, 2003 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zerodamage September 11, 2003 Share Guest zerodamage Guests September 11, 2003 Gooters. lol. HL2 looks to be very damaging to Nvidia right now. I recommend you go to www.tech-report.com or any other tech website and see Valve's presentation. It took Valve 5x longer to do specifically code for the Geforce FX cards than to use the basic Dx9 instructions, and the ATI cards still own it. That is sad and this could also be a reason for the delay in the game's release. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Premier September 11, 2003 Share DJ Premier Member September 11, 2003 Goot, to to www.nvidia.com and look up information on their soundcards in the nforce2 chipset. SoundStorm i think is the name. A lot of ppl don't like onboard sound. I find this one to be at least as good as an SB Live card. Keep that in mind. If you want something better, you might want to forego the onboard sound and get a cheaper Asus board (but stick with nforce2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters September 11, 2003 Author Share gOOters Member September 11, 2003 (edited) I did a lot of research about 6 mo ago...and had decided on the nForceII board then, for this exact reason, it looks like it is still the best value item, I am already decided on it, thanks DJ. How is the timbre in NY today? Edit: The n in nForce...does it stand for N-Vidia? Will this board support ATI technology well? I would assume, yes. Edited September 11, 2003 by gOOters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zerodamage September 11, 2003 Share Guest zerodamage Guests September 11, 2003 Yes, I use the nforce mobo. I use the onboard sound, the onboard lan. And my ATI radeon 9500 pro works great in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwEEziL September 11, 2003 Share dwEEziL Member September 11, 2003 Yes, the "n" in nForce is for nVidia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters September 11, 2003 Author Share gOOters Member September 11, 2003 Whelp I pulled the trigger! MoBo -- NFORCE2 A7N8X-X ASUS R 1 $83.99 CPU -- AMD| 2600+ /333 ATHLON XP RTL 1 $106.00 DDRAM -- 256MB CORSAR32X64 PC3200 VS256 MB400 X 2 $102.00 Subtotal $291.99 Tax $.00 Shipping and Handling charge .00 Total $291.99 I am getting the case with 400W as a B-Day gift. So...I will be limping on my MX440 Vid card for awhile, but hey...I think I did pretty good for my money! And once I can afford a 9500Pro (or 9800Pro), I will be good to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters September 11, 2003 Author Share gOOters Member September 11, 2003 Whelp I pulled the trigger! MoBo -- NFORCE2 A7N8X-X ASUS R 1 $83.99 CPU -- AMD| 2600+ /333 ATHLON XP RTL 1 $106.00 DDRAM -- 256MB CORSAR32X64 PC3200 VS256 MB400 X 2 $102.00 Subtotal $291.99 Tax $.00 Shipping and Handling charge .00 Total $291.99 I am getting the case with 400W as a B-Day gift. So...I will be limping on my MX440 Vid card for awhile, but hey...I think I did pretty good for my money! And once I can afford a 9500Pro (or 9800Pro), I will be good to go! THANK YOU for the help guys!!! Next week I will post a million questions as I build it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gond September 11, 2003 Share Gond Member September 11, 2003 Wow...you bought 2 computers, sweet!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magruter September 11, 2003 Share Magruter Member September 11, 2003 Can i have one?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa September 11, 2003 Share Playaa Member September 11, 2003 uuumm...I'm with DJ, get more than 256mb ram....even if you go out and buy a cheap (pcboost.com) 256mb DDR ram chip......you will be screwed with that little ram. (hah...I remember when we had 16mb ram and I was pumped) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters September 11, 2003 Author Share gOOters Member September 11, 2003 I bought two sticks...X2. 512MB total. The RAM looked like it was good to me? PC3200 MB400. Is that cheap or crappy? I ask because it was $50/stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Premier September 11, 2003 Share DJ Premier Member September 11, 2003 My view on RAM is as follows, yes it can make a noticeable performance difference from the best to the worst. But if you got something decent from a decent company, casual users won't ever notice. As long as its a reputable company, you'll be fine. Also, given that RAM is so cheap these days, almost anything will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa September 12, 2003 Share Playaa Member September 12, 2003 I would have agreed with you in the past DJ....but I have recently learned the difference between cheap ram and good ram.....if you check out pcboost.com you'll notice that you get a choice of 3 different "grades" of ram.....well in my experience I have bought all 3 different types from pcboost and the broker grade (the worst one) tends to break.....the standard grade (middle one) tends to last ok, while the Atlas grade (top one) works wonderfully.......so the type of ram DOES matter.......however I see goot got Corsair ram which is a pretty good quality ram. the one good thing about pcboost.com is that all their ram has a lifetime warranty....and they've never fought me or my friends on sending it back (I've only had to send back broker grade a couple times and once for standard grade....and that's out of about 12 chips total so don't think they have horrid ram) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zerodamage September 12, 2003 Share Guest zerodamage Guests September 12, 2003 There is a signifigant difference in the quality of RAM. Back in the days of PC100 and PC133 RAM the difference was little. Now days you want RAM that is higher in speed than your board for potential over overclocking. RAM latencies and timing are very signifigant as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa September 12, 2003 Share Playaa Member September 12, 2003 yes but speeds, latency and timing don't hafta do with the quality necessarily.....you can have good quality and bad quality with the same speed latency and timing....... I was assuming DJ meant the actual quality of parts and makers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zerodamage September 12, 2003 Share Guest zerodamage Guests September 12, 2003 I understand where you are coming from Playaa, but quality and the timings of the RAM go hand in hand. For example, you can purchase RAM from Samsung with "ok" timings from Samsung and waste your money. Their RAM is junk. Corsair is probably the best for the money right now. I got my DDR400 Extreme timing RAM for 60 bucks a stick (256MB sticks). They are not the best timed RAM sticks out there (6-3-3-2) but a lot better than default and run great. So quality and timing go hand in hand. I used Generic RAM at one time without a bit of problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters September 12, 2003 Author Share gOOters Member September 12, 2003 So are the "blowout" deals on newegg really good deals? If I see something I know I will want (like a HD) should I pony up for it now if it is a "blowout" item? 40GB 7200RPM for $60 seems pretty cheap to me...it's Maxtor brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwEEziL September 13, 2003 Share dwEEziL Member September 13, 2003 (edited) You can get much better deals on HDs than that. I got a 160GB/8MB cache WD from CompUSA for $99 after a $70 MIR. Just check http://www.techbargains.com on a daily basis. Edited September 13, 2003 by dwEEziL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa September 13, 2003 Share Playaa Member September 13, 2003 also goot the "blowout" deals on newegg seem to last FOREVER........usually it will say it will be there until a certain date....and that at that date......they start the deal again for another date............there is a motherboard on there with the same 2 week deal about 2 months after it started........so don't worry too much. and anyway, with technology....prices always drop over time.......(that's because technology improves) so I tend to stay on the "scratched" (as opposed to the bleeding) edge of the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General J September 13, 2003 Share General J Member September 13, 2003 My computer may be a pos... AMD athlon 800MHz, 128mb RAM, running a 16mb TNT2 Model 64 Pro card... but with V-Sync off I usually run between 60-99 fps. Smoke doesnt seem to hurt too bad, but I also have detailed smoke switched off for the time being. I just keep forgetting to turn it back on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa September 13, 2003 Share Playaa Member September 13, 2003 wow J....I just built a computer 2 weeks ago that is almost that exact machine.........for $20......... dude you need to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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