Preacher November 3, 2005 Share Preacher Member November 3, 2005 http://www.settingcaptivesfree.com/course/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Preacher November 3, 2005 Author Share Preacher Member November 3, 2005 hey guys this stuff has messed up marriages and my brother lost his job over it. I'm not having the discussion of whether or not you should or should not look at naked folks, but simply providing a link that may be helpful for someone with a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayfarer November 3, 2005 Share wayfarer Member November 3, 2005 I don't think people truly understand what porn has done to our society. Harmless pleasure to some... something much much worse for others. Good post Preacher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duma November 3, 2005 Share duma Member November 3, 2005 hey guys this stuff has messed up marriages and my brother lost his job over it. I'm not having the discussion of whether or not you should or should not look at naked folks, but simply providing a link that may be helpful for someone with a problem. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry, but I don't think it was the porn that made your brother lose his job. Your brother likely had issues, and this just aided his indulgence. As a comparable analogy, say you have cold and use a tissue, but you get in trouble for leaving the tissue on the night stand (by the wife, mother, whatever). Now, you could blame the cold. However, the reason you got in trouble was because you were too lazy to toss the tissues. So, to blame the porn is to blame the cold - there are other issues that plague your brother, et al. Now, if you wanted to rage against porn, because it often attracks women who had been abused, to pose naked, you might have a better ground. I just don't buy into the "porn is bad because ppl shouldn't masterbate idea," if that was the arguement. If it wasn't you will have to forgive me... you only said it was bad, and gave me an affect. Anyway..... I didn't mean to turn this into a debate. But, it was in a forum that I frequent. If you posted it in the political section, I wouldn't have read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymo November 3, 2005 Share anonymo Member November 3, 2005 I'm glad duma is here...porn didn't do anything...just like booze never did anything either. Its always the individual and their ability to deal with it. I mean if someone developed a problem where eating carrots took over their lives, would religion step in and try to convince people that it was the carrot's fault and that everyone should live a life of abstenance from carrots? probably... Oh and I'm not trying to tick people off...I'm just responding with my own opinion. I don't think people understand what religion has done to our society "Setting Captives Free" seems like this ain't happening if you catch my drift... Again I don't mean to anger people or put people down...I'm just responding with my opinion to what has been posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werD November 3, 2005 Share werD Member November 3, 2005 everything in moderation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz.e.rus November 3, 2005 Share Laz.e.rus Member November 3, 2005 * looks this thread over* // * decides its better to quietly step outta the room * // * closes door quietly behind himself* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters November 3, 2005 Share stutters GC Alumni November 3, 2005 * looks this thread over*// * decides its better to quietly step outta the room * // * closes door quietly behind himself* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> // * trips over the stack of magazines * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norguard November 3, 2005 Share Norguard Member November 3, 2005 (edited) The thing is, porn doesn't work like a tissue. Sex doesn't work like carrots. Sex is more like binge drinking. Not having a beer or a glass of wine. Having a case, or a bottle. It's not really a "People shouldn't masturbate" issue. It's an issue of where does it stop? Some people could be forced to sit and watch hours of porn and feel nothing, or go partying and end up taking 7 or 8 people home that night, that they just want to have a good time with... ...that'd be akin to somebody who's so tolerant of alcohol that they can go to work with a perma-buzz, because it's something they've done so often... ...those people have different problems altogether. ...sex is intoxicating. Problem is, most people build a dependancy on things which intoxicate them. Wether you're of a faith (definitely not "religious") or not, I think we can all agree that dependancies are a bad thing. If a person is dependant on many things, such as beer and porn and pot, ...or coffee, blogging and jamming, they divide his attention. If he's dependant on one thing, it engulfs him, and he spends increasing amounts of time and energy to be in it. Nobody starts off as a coke addict, doing three hits a day. It's a fix that keeps escalating. ...I know a few people who are completely addicted to porn. Lo and behold, none of them take any interest in your standard stack of Playboys. That'd be like offering a crackhead a cigarette to stem the desire. They need bigger and better, and violent and twisted. One of these men just got over his addiction, and threw out hundreds of imported, underground magazines which are totally illegal on this side of the globe. Another, I stumbled upon as I was repairing their PC, backing up resumes, et cetera for a format... ...again, we're not talking about anything remotely within the realms of "tasteful", or even "legally sanctioned in Canada". Two girls I know are totally ruined on the concept of love, because of their lifestyle over the past several years. ...of course, back when they started living the way they do, they were only in their mid teens. And yes, they can, and have been found on the internet, by people who know them. One left highschool two years early, and moved to the other side of the country, to live with her aunt. Her mother thought she was a virgin. The concept of a porn addiction ruining a workplace, where co-workers/customers/children have to walk by your desk/monitor/TV monitor is real. It happens. A husband who's now so enthralled by his secret addiction, that his only concept of romance involves blood happens, as well. ...what two, consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their own business, but what if she'd prefer... ...you know... ...dinner and wine... What if he can't even be attracted to her, without holding a video camera? ...you can't tell me there isn't trouble in those relationships. ...the people I've known in those relationships couldn't even properly lie to me and tell me that there was no trouble in those relationships. If you took away every porn site on the internet, there'd be one website left, and it would be called "Bring Back the Porn". The site the Preacha-man posted isn't stating the problem... ...it isn't a petition, to get rid of all of the porn in the world. That site is for people who have a problem, and understand that they have a problem, and have the desire to see themselves cured of that problem. Edited November 3, 2005 by Norguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephemeral November 3, 2005 Share ephemeral Member November 3, 2005 everything in moderation <{POST_SNAPBACK}> lol dude you know thats the biggest load of crap better, but like lazerus said, this forum isnt the place for that converstation, unless the GC admins don't mind...cause then i have a lot to say. actually i'll be back at 1:00 to put more on. everything in moderation...golly gee!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilzugud November 3, 2005 Share Kilzugud Member November 3, 2005 (edited) guys i dont think the purpose of him putting this link up was to start a flame war of whether or not porn is this or that. i think he was just trying to put it out there incase anyone needed some help or assistance and i respect preach for that. just be curtious to the topic as im sure there are some people out there that have actually looked this over and thought twice about it. thx preach for steppin out there and tryin to help out. Edited November 3, 2005 by Kilzugud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magruter November 3, 2005 Share Magruter Member November 3, 2005 <RUNS AWAY!!> This looks like it might get moved to the PC forums!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duma November 3, 2005 Share duma Member November 3, 2005 The thing is, porn doesn't work like a tissue. Sex doesn't work like carrots. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You have missed the point of the analogy because you were lost in the words. I am not saying one is the same as the other. What I am saying is that there are issues that have developed, not based on the fact that porn is "bad," but because the person is the one with the issue (ie lazy as per my analogy). You have said the point yourself by stating, "I know ppl who are addicted to porn." Right. I know ppl who are addicted to soda. That doesn't make soda as a whole bad. What it does mean though, is that soda could be bad for that person, but not all people have the same problem. My post rings of the fact that he is blaming porn for the failure of marriage, (his brother's) job, and moving this to a society issue. Porn is not the end all, say all, cause of such problems. Sorry to say, but the rabbit hole is so much deeper then that. Also, while I appreciate his concern(s) in making this post, I fail to see why his suggestion can not be rebutted. Allow him to speak as he will among his like minded, and then there would be no issue. Better yet, as has been suggested, post this in the Political forum, and allow them to debate it. But, by placing it here, he has invoked a more wide spread reading, and likewise, he (or really we all) should have anticpated more responces then, "good post." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duma November 3, 2005 Share duma Member November 3, 2005 * looks this thread over*// * decides its better to quietly step outta the room * // * closes door quietly behind himself* <{POST_SNAPBACK}> // * trips over the stack of magazines * <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa November 3, 2005 Share Playaa Member November 3, 2005 My post rings of the fact that he is blaming porn for the failure of marriage, (his brother's) job, and moving this to a society issue. Porn is not the end all, say all, cause of such problems. Sorry to say, but the rabbit hole is so much deeper then that. actually Duma, his post was specifically directed at folks who had a problem with porn and might want help getting over that problem. He never blaimed porn. your response would be if he had made a topic that said: "problems with alchohol? get help here" and you replied with "alchohol isn't the problem, people are the problem" your post was unnecessary. He never said "porn is to blame", just that "porn causes problems". I'm sure that Preacher isn't walking around his house saying "CURSE PORN! IT SCREWED UP LIVES!"...he's more likely saying "Curse these people for being weak and screwing up their lives". all that said, if you have a problem with porn, there is nothing wrong with wanting to get help. also: http://www.x3watch.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norguard November 3, 2005 Share Norguard Member November 3, 2005 (edited) I'm not expecting there to not be a backlash. It's merely a facet of civilized discussion that the rebutter is to face a rebuttal. And again, the site isn't about militantly demonizing all pornography. There are plenty of other organizations of the kind. This is a site that is geared towards fixing this specific problem. I will totally 100% agree that there are other things to be addicted to. And addiction itself is a problem, regardless of the facet, but that isn't what the site deals with. AA isn't a place where people go to kick heroine addictions. MADD doesn't campaign against Koreans who die of heart attacks after 78 hour gaming binges... As I said, and as I feel Preacher intended I'm not having the discussion of whether or not you should or should not look at naked folks, the meaning of the post was to provide a place for support for those who do have a specific problem. And by putting it in the general forum, he has found a venue where people who may have this problem, and a desire to fix it, may find it, rather than putting a helpful link in the middle of nowhere, where people can pick apart and argue semantics over the problem, instead of looking at the context of the solution. Edited November 3, 2005 by Norguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephemeral November 3, 2005 Share ephemeral Member November 3, 2005 My post rings of the fact that he is blaming porn for the failure of marriage, (his brother's) job, and moving this to a society issue. Porn is not the end all, say all, cause of such problems. Sorry to say, but the rabbit hole is so much deeper then that. actually Duma, his post was specifically directed at folks who had a problem with porn and might want help getting over that problem. He never blaimed porn. your response would be if he had made a topic that said: "problems with alchohol? get help here" and you replied with "alchohol isn't the problem, people are the problem" your post was unnecessary. He never said "porn is to blame", just that "porn causes problems". I'm sure that Preacher isn't walking around his house saying "CURSE PORN! IT SCREWED UP LIVES!"...he's more likely saying "Curse these people for being weak and screwing up their lives". all that said, if you have a problem with porn, there is nothing wrong with wanting to get help. also: http://www.x3watch.com <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes x3 watch is a very useful program, but it is too easy to trick yourself out of it. lol by htat i mean just going into the task manager and turning it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephemeral November 3, 2005 Share ephemeral Member November 3, 2005 RUN!!!! SAFE URSELF! I'LL HOLD EM AS LONG AS I CAN!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> what does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephemeral November 3, 2005 Share ephemeral Member November 3, 2005 (edited) k sorry for getting so hot earlier by the way, i shouldnt have done that. but i really feel that some people are really blind to what stuff actually does in their life. for instance the whole porn isnt like carrots or soda thing. this is true because porn is hugely addicting, far more than soda or...carrots. and not only that, but porn also begins to change who YOU are. when you're...done... you feel really crappy. unless of course your conciense is completely gone. which porn also has a way of doing. after a while, its not shocking at all anymore. remember the first time you ever saw a pronographic image? remember how shocking it was? well now how do you feel about it? desensitization at its worst. now for those of you who arent religious, this will sound just stupid, but you dont have to be religious for it to be true. porn ruins lives! not just yours, but everyone around you too. when people see you so fastly fascinated by something so...violating as porn, they dont know what to say. people you care about start to fall away from you, and you lose friends. just like drugs. i am not a very good debater, so i cant really explain anything i'm saying here much deeper. if you want to argue, i agree, preacher had no intent of this topic being hot and turning into a "flame war" as was described earlier, so nobody diss him for it. if you want to argue, do it without dissing people. by the way i am a christian, and i have been addicted in the past, and still have issues that have recently arisen that i thought were gone. so i think i might try that linky thing, if anything, it'll give good information for the case. oh heres another thing i was gonna say. if you have a girlfriend or wife that doesnt know that you do it, you NEED to tell her and promise you will stop, because WHEN, not if, she finds out, you will be in BIG trouble. but, sometimes the only way to really learn is the hard way. girlfriends and wives hate porn. Edited November 3, 2005 by ephemeral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wentz November 3, 2005 Share Wentz Member November 3, 2005 HOW BOUT THEM WHITE SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephemeral November 3, 2005 Share ephemeral Member November 3, 2005 HOW BOUT THEM WHITE SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> dude dont try to change the subject, do it somewhere else, cause we dont need it here. not to be rude, but seriously, if you dont want to talk about it; dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duma November 3, 2005 Share duma Member November 3, 2005 My post rings of the fact that he is blaming porn for the failure of marriage, (his brother's) job, and moving this to a society issue. Porn is not the end all, say all, cause of such problems. Sorry to say, but the rabbit hole is so much deeper then that. actually Duma, his post was specifically directed at folks who had a problem with porn and might want help getting over that problem. He never blaimed porn. http://www.x3watch.com <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh no? hey guys this stuff has messed up marriages and my brother lost his job over it. I'm not having the discussion of whether or not you should or should not look at naked folks, but simply providing a link that may be helpful for someone with a problem. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The bold part is the subject matter of my post. After ppl had made a few jokes about it, his post is to suggest that porn isn't a laughing matter. As he said, it has "messed up lives." I must repeat myself, porn didn't mess up his brother's life. His brother had issues prior to porn. Porn is not the cause and affect of his problems. Finally, I will defer from taking on your "unnecessary" post argument. After all, such conclusions will only result in animosity. I simply want to state the other side... as this topic found itself in a "general chit chat" area, there can be no unnecessary post - except those that are orginally posted - as all others are solicited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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