Kurtz January 13, 2004 Share Kurtz Member January 13, 2004 ya i saw it was more of a first thought/reaction thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowbar January 13, 2004 Share Crowbar Member January 13, 2004 interesting read on that forum link there shaw. anyone skim through any of it? what are people's thoughts on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa January 13, 2004 Share Playaa Member January 13, 2004 first time I watched that vid was at work with no sound...and I found it sick. then I rewatched it last night because of the talk of chopper vs. plane (wanted to listen for chopper sounds) and after hearing the cold detached voice of the gunners....made me twice as sick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGSHaW January 13, 2004 Share BIGSHaW Member January 13, 2004 hearing the cold detached voice of the gunners.... Thats because their training has kicked in and they are almost in automatic mode Playaa, thats why they might sound inhuman but its not true...plz take a look at the link I provided, it may open your eyes a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters January 13, 2004 Author Share gOOters Member January 13, 2004 war is ugly. I have seen much worse than this video too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magruter January 13, 2004 Share Magruter Member January 13, 2004 Is it a bad thing if i want to see these videos?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwEEziL January 13, 2004 Share dwEEziL Member January 13, 2004 Cold and detached is better than "OH OH OH, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE! GET HIM TOO!!!! WAHOOO!!!! THERE GOES ANOTHER ONE!!! YOU TORE THE CRAP OUTTA THAT ONE!!!". I guess considering the options, I would go with cold, detached, not to mention, calm and in complete control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa January 13, 2004 Share Playaa Member January 13, 2004 Shaw I wasn't saying that those guys themselves made me sick...just the idea that humans do things like this to each other and actually CAN detatch their feelings from it. I understand why they are in that situation and are to be commended for fighting for me...but I just don't think I could ever do it and I'm sickened that the human race has become what it has that we can do that without feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGSHaW January 13, 2004 Share BIGSHaW Member January 13, 2004 Ok this should clear all the debates about the video.... Well atleast who what when questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGSHaW January 13, 2004 Share BIGSHaW Member January 13, 2004 I dont think we "bacome" Playaa...that what we're always were as humans. I mean in the history of world you won't be able to find a period where somebody would not fight someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa January 13, 2004 Share Playaa Member January 13, 2004 well...you're right in a sense...even back to Cain and Abel... but it doesn't mean I hafta like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters January 13, 2004 Author Share gOOters Member January 13, 2004 Playaa, The detachment is a part of military training. When you are in battle, you cannot afford to become emotionally attached to what you are doing. Imagine hand to hand or small arms combat...that is even more "in your face". any soldier would be killed if he spent time pondering the mortality of each enemy. That is why post-war trauma is so horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGSHaW January 13, 2004 Share BIGSHaW Member January 13, 2004 just asked couple of specialists about not hearing rotors in that video and thats what I got Definitely Apache. The "camara" is usually just a direct link from the IHADDS HDU or whatever sensor is in priority (you can set that in flight: Pilot FLIR, CPG FLIR, TADS, RADAR (if longbow) or whatever MFD you want to record. In this it is looking thru FLIR with targeting provided by TADS and possibly LASER for range-finding...altho they seemed to be haviong trouble getting an accurate Laser return (weather related?) Any sound is usually right off the intercom system, which does not pickup that much noise from the rotors or the engines because of the noise cancelling microphones. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest the.rev January 13, 2004 Share Guest the.rev Guests January 13, 2004 just curious how stealthy are those choppers? silent? the soilders down there didnt see it, hear it? how far up where they, do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGSHaW January 14, 2004 Share BIGSHaW Member January 14, 2004 its not that silent...but American helicopter pilots are trained to do so called pop-ups, that means the choper is hovering very low taking cover behind some obstacle a tree for example, and then pilot executes pop-up, he/she raises the machine up say 5 meters more, over the cover while the gunner is engaging the targets as far away as 5 km / 3 miles away. Thats of course with missiles such as Hellfire, the gun is only effective at ranges below 2 km. If this chopper was anywhere from 2 - 1 km away from you flying low, you wouldnt pick it up either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nut January 14, 2004 Share nut Member January 14, 2004 i know its the enemy... man he anialated em. NuT- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffe January 14, 2004 Share Jeffe Member January 14, 2004 (edited) My reaction was, "WoW and real" Edited January 14, 2004 by Jeffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty January 14, 2004 Share Fatty GC Founder January 14, 2004 Did anyone feel anything watching that? I didn't read much of this thread before I watch it.... I felt sad. These guys had no idea...and the amazing power of those guns....and the coldness that is necessary for the job...it looks like one of our video games... I think the worst part was that guy cowering behind the truck. While enemy, killer, or whatever...the human-side of him shows when he cowers behind his truck. I just killed a fly on my desk...yes one of those huge ones that you wonder, "It's winter...where has this thing been growing and why is he here?" It took me more effort to kill that fly and clean it up than it did there...the efficiency is startling. About the same amount of time, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty January 14, 2004 Share Fatty GC Founder January 14, 2004 Maybe I didn't read this above, but did they fire some rounds before they were "ranged" or sited in? And just totally miss? You hear the gun, the guy picks up the pace a bit, but nothing hit. We were just watching a spotting camera, right? At some points, it doesn't seem like those crosshairs were what was being aimed at, but at other times it does. It's like the first time they were way off...you even hear one of them say "truck" seemingly because they fired and wasted some rounds and were way off...perhaps alerting those guys down there (but they really didn't react like you and I would at gunfire, obviously a common sound) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[Mmmm]Homer January 15, 2004 Share [Mmmm]Homer Member January 15, 2004 In case nobody realized, the vehicle on the left is a tractor with a rake or plow behind it and it is facing away from the chopper. It has a hot (lighter color) exhaust sticking out the top front of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty January 15, 2004 Share Fatty GC Founder January 15, 2004 g00t, hope you didn't mind me editing you, but i tossed the pic from shaw's web link into your top post for effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters January 15, 2004 Author Share gOOters Member January 15, 2004 (edited) Maybe I didn't read this above, but did they fire some rounds before they were "ranged" or sited in? And just totally miss? You hear the gun, the guy picks up the pace a bit, but nothing hit. We were just watching a spotting camera, right? At some points, it doesn't seem like those crosshairs were what was being aimed at, but at other times it does. It's like the first time they were way off...you even hear one of them say "truck" seemingly because they fired and wasted some rounds and were way off...perhaps alerting those guys down there (but they really didn't react like you and I would at gunfire, obviously a common sound) According to Shaw...the video in these choppers comes straight from whatever system they are accessing at the time...FLIR at this point. Also, the gunner was using the wrong Aiming system, these guys were quite possible at the edge of their range. After he switches to auto-sight, you can tell that the crosshair doesnt line up exactly with the baddies...they have to lead them a little. I also think they are far away, because these guys have no idea where they are being shot at from, this is evidenced by the fact that the fool under the big truck didnt just park his bootie there. From his POV, that must have been a very dark area and he just heard a distant popping and watched his bad guy buddies blow up. And yes, it does seem video gamish...its freaky and scary how real it all is though. Edit: No I dont mind you editing me. Edited January 15, 2004 by gOOters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGSHaW January 15, 2004 Share BIGSHaW Member January 15, 2004 ...And yes, it does seem video gamish...its freaky and scary how real it all is though. Well it all depends on what kinda games you play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gOOters January 15, 2004 Author Share gOOters Member January 15, 2004 http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/apac...deo_040109.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGSHaW January 15, 2004 Share BIGSHaW Member January 15, 2004 Ok this should clear all the debates about the video.... Well atleast who what when questions goot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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