busting m0ss banned

[yErMoTH3r]

HAX0R: shut it

HAX0R: maybe u just suck??

HAX0R: mad cause someone is better than him at a game

HAX0R: its bad enough i have to play it 2 times a week

HAX0R: god u a dumb fkn noob

HAX0R: do u think i could make it through 3 seasons of cal-man

HAX0R: and 2 cal-i seasons

HAX0R: being a cheater?

HAX0R: get a fkn clue

HAX0R: dont be an idiot and accuse of hacks

HAX0R: if u watch me play its quite obvious i dont cheat

HAX0R: find any incident of me getting caught cheating

HAX0R: holy interp batman

HAX0R: 1.6 is interpalicious

HAX0R: i can't see with default gamma

HAX0R: if i remember right in a pug today, i destroyed your team

HAX0R: u killed me u must cheat

HAX0R: I GUESS SO U DUMB FKN SCRUB

HAX0R: dominated

HAX0R: i'm so bs

HAX0R: actually its cause trucking idiots don't accuse me of cheating as-s-hol-e

HAX0R: zad u and your cheating accusations are getting trucking annoying

 

Some of the better comments from the logs between 9/1 and 10/10 all from the same guy, the one, the only....

 

L 10/09/2003 - 20:10:51: "MOSSOPARROTOHHHYEAH!!<780><STEAM_0:0:2055><CT>" say "its moss moron"

 

http://www.dirtylittlemonkeys.org/files/alltest.zip

 

p.s. "hi" = m0ss AND m0ss = "you're all pub all-stars",

m0ss alias'd as "you're all pub all-stars" saying he could recreate the previous nights actions by 'pulling down'.

 

L 10/09/2003 - 12:48:28: "you're all pub all-stars!<2><STEAM_0:0:2055><>" STEAM USERID validated

[10-09-2003 - 14:03] m0ss: i'm sorry i might be a little rash

[10-09-2003 - 14:03] m0m: i am too thats why im not going off on you.

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0ss: wanna go in server and demo me again

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0ss: i'll do the same thing

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0m: working but if youd demo yourself same way same place

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0ss: this time you can take 1st person pov

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0m: id be happy

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0ss: insteand of 3rd person

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0ss: that's fine

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0ss: go in

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0m: 5-7 tiles back same place.

[10-09-2003 - 14:04] m0m: i cant working

[10-09-2003 - 14:05] m0m: ill set up out prvate server for ya

[10-09-2003 - 14:05] m0ss: i'll go do it

[10-09-2003 - 14:05] m0m: 2 seconds

[10-09-2003 - 14:05] m0ss: its already up

[10-09-2003 - 14:05] m0ss: pw is headshot

[10-09-2003 - 14:06] m0m: correct

[10-09-2003 - 14:06] m0ss: restart server with 16k plz

 

L 10/08/2003 - 00:47:59: "hi<1022><STEAM_0:0:2055><>" triggered "amx_chat" (text "having fun mom?")

 

L 10/05/2003 - 18:04:08: "gem][ni moss`<691><STEAM_0:0:2055><CT>" changed name to "no no no no no"

http://www.caleague.com/?page=teaminfo&div=csm&id=888

I feel bad for your cal-m mates, unless they are also cal-h...

 

 

 

Strange Stills:

These are 1 frame apart. They show the change in the animation from finger off to finger on and muzzle flash, but this is not the main point.

 

 

 

 

[THX1138]

was he getting kills shooting at the wall?

[TeK]

rofl...here we go with the accusations again.

 

I believe Moss is pretty LAN proven from what I have heard. Him and gemini I think LAN together a lot.

Edited October 11, 2003 by TeK

[yErMoTH3r]

gee i figured id get a"nice vid, but youre insane as usual"

 

are you missing it: http://www.dirtylittlemonkeys.org/files/alltest.zip

[flux]

are those pics supposed to look like an aimbot?

[TeK]

gee i figured id get a"nice vid, but youre insane as usual"

 

are you missing it: http://www.dirtylittlemonkeys.org/files/alltest.zip

Can you explain to me what this video is trying to prove cause I really don't know.

 

No-recoil...rofl?

Wallhack...rofl?

[DJ Premier]

I have seen the avi. I am also forced to acknowledge that m0ss shoots better than I do. I've been in server with him and watched him as well as seen the vids. Yes, the bullets don't stray as much in the vid, but they do recoil in my opinion. I think it has much more to do with gun control. I am not convinced and I do believe moss is legit.

 

I think this has a lot more to do with moss being moss than ppl actually thinking moss cheats. He isn't the most gracious person to play with on the server. He can be abrasive at times and he sometimes is downright rude. But that isn't the whole moss either. There are two sides. I feel that the community has and will come down on moss hard because of their personal feelings towards him as a player, regardless of being suspicious of cheats. But, one has to ask why he is the way he is sometimes. It's things like this that contribute to a bad attitude. Constant bashing can lead a person to have a bad attitude. Then once there is a bad attitude, everyone just wants to nail him to the wall.

 

So look at the video again. But this time with a clear and objective mind and not with a mind that is hell bent on seeing him get crucified regardless of outcome.

 

I've seen it many times. Pondered many thoughts of my own, but in the end I trust the guy and also think the vid isn't completely conclusive.

[yErMoTH3r]

scene1: dj test fire

scene2: dj test fire

scene3: moss from day after demo

scene4: moss from day after demo

scene5: moss from day after demo

scene6: moss from day after demo

scene7: accusations start here as player hi is shown

 

bullets never go above the xhairs or to the upper left right or are dead center, many actually even shooty under the xhairs when compared to the control demos

[Guest PDO]

Moss has been lan proven, along with all of Gemini, according to gotfrag.com

 

To quote : "Gemini is one of the many surprising teams this season. Though they have dropped a match to the leading wat?, and tied on one of their worst maps de_cpl_fire, they still have a solid 8-1-1 record to keep them in the division lead. They are also a LAN proven team, and though they struggled online last season in CAL-o, their key to success has been teamwork and great chemistry, which has come from their stable roster, something many teams have struggled to achieve. "

 

Moss also gave me some help on de_cpl_fire and knows his stuff well.

 

Also, from my experience 1.6 demos, espeacilly those from other perspectives are very glitchy. I'll show some examples at a later time.

 

K: Examples ...

 

http://force.gamedaemons.net/demos/PDO/1.6%20Clips/

 

Watch : WeirdDoubleQuickScope, GGValve, Spiderman, SnowDefinesClutch and WeirdQuickScopeHUH

 

There's basically somethign weird in ALL of those shots.. and I know for a fact that I don't hack, I'm guessing it was just random CS , although those pictures are weird.

Edited October 11, 2003 by TFR | PDO

[Guest Inferno]

it doesnt matter if you have been lan proven, you can easilly get rid of it before the lan....and tek the video is showing no recoil, now if he was blasting people through the wall getting hs, then i guess that would be ocnsidered walling. So this demo is showing the use of a recoil....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do note: I am not taking sides in this dicussion, only giving my opinion in which I see.

[yErMoTH3r]

i went to 5 people. only one wasnt 100% convinced.

the above 5 people had submitted me demos as well, i only used DJs in the video you see.

while i understand glitch, thats the reason for the pics, and the title strange frames. im really concerend with the recoil.

 

i look forward to the demos you will show.

[Guest PDO]

Inferno : If you're "lan proven" that means that you've done just as consistently well as you did online , or even more so. Basically, that means if he was hacking, there'd be no reason behind it. All it'd do is ruin the reputation of a player that has been on Cal-I teams, and is good enough to be on them in the first place.

 

Edit : Watch "snowdefinesclutch" in the link I posted earlier if you really want to see how inaccurate some demos in 1.6 are ...

Edited October 11, 2003 by TFR | PDO

[yErMoTH3r]

Watch : WeirdDoubleQuickScope, GGValve, Spiderman, SnowDefinesClutch and WeirdQuickScopeHUH

watched em. i see nothing out of the ordinary bs cs in there including the awps

 

the video shows all full clip full fire (yet if you look at the stock of the barrell hi's is odd, dj tried to recreate this by tapping.

 

here are the timings from the demo ripped at 60fps (the video is made up of 4.6GB of 800x600 bitmaps 24color). average rate of registered explosions are every 6th frame yet moss seems to defy that average and dj is unable to reproduce the timings yet demonstrating that he could make the stock kinda sorta shoot oddly (result of tapping).

 

Slow Video Here

 

 

who fire_typ frm_no frm_cnt note

DJ full 309 0

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DJ full 472 6

DJ full 478 6

DJ full 484 6

m0ss pub 2495 0

m0ss pub 2537 42 Blinded by model

m0ss pub 0 0 Blinded by model

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m0ss pub 0 0 Blinded by model

m0ss pub 0 0 Blinded by model

m0ss pub 0 0 Blinded by model

m0ss pub 0 0 Blinded by model

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m0ss pub 2545 0

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m0ss pub 2567 7

m0ss pub 2571 4

m0ss pub 2575 4

m0ss pub 2582 7

m0ss pub 2587 5

m0ss pub 2593 6

m0ss pub 2597 4

m0ss pub 2610 13 Paused a sec

m0ss pub 2615 5

m0ss pub 2620 5

m0ss pub 2625 5

m0ss pub 2630 5

m0ss pub 2634 4

m0ss pub 2642 8

m0ss pub 2647 5

m0ss pub 2652 5

DJ tap 2993 0

DJ tap 3003 10

DJ tap 3011 8

DJ tap 3020 9

DJ tap 3027 7

DJ tap 3037 10

DJ tap 3045 8

DJ tap 3053 8

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DJ tap 3105 10

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DJ tap 3126 5

DJ tap 3132 6

DJ tap 3143 11

DJ tap 3152 9

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DJ tap 3219 10

DJ tap 3228 9

DJ tap 3237 9

DJ tap 3246 9

[SwOOp]

Basically, that means if he was hacking, there'd be no reason behind it.

Not to stir up anything, but that statement means nothing. Just because he may be skilled at this game does not mean he wouldn't cheat. People do things for various reasons even when there is no need to. If you would like an example of this, how about a rich person stealing? He(she) has no need to do this since he could easily pay for it. They don't do it out of necessity, but out of the fulfillment it gives them as an individual.

[TeK]

it doesnt matter if you have been lan proven

Killer...You goto LANS. I bet you if yermother watched 3D pub he'd be the first to say they hack. He accuses everyone whose better than him even when hes been playing the game longer than me.

 

When someone is LAN proven they can perform on LAN where it is an equal playing field. WIth gemini LAN PROVEN online means absolutely NOTHING. I'm also assuming with a comment like that that 3D cheats online and gets 1st place at CPL.

 

You guys accuse this guy so much of cheating when you should be worrying about your own personal skill level and leave others alone. You have accused him countless number of times and I can understand why he has a sour attitude toward all of you. You don't leave him alone. I wish you can goto a CPL one time yermother and watch how people play and you'll see how the best of the best play...

 

I really think this is a simple case of someone being better than you and you holding a grudge but hey what do I know...

[Killer]

it doesnt matter if you have been lan proven

Killer...You goto LANS.

TIMEOUT! LOOK AT WHO YOUR TALKING TO. IM KILLER, THAT IS INFERNO.

 

 

Please never......EVER, get us mixed up again.

 

 

Thank you.

[DJ Premier]

it doesnt matter if you have been lan proven

Killer...You goto LANS.

TIMEOUT! LOOK AT WHO YOUR TALKING TO. IM KILLER, THAT IS INFERNO.

 

 

Please never......EVER, get us mixed up again.

 

 

Thank you.

:prop:

[Guest Mossad]

lol

 

i don't cheat, think what you will. You recorded a demo in 3rd person could be glitchy hell I don't know.

 

1. I've never cheated on pubs or matches.

 

2. I've never cheater before in my life.

 

3. I had the same wonid for 3 years, did it ever come up with any cheat hits?

 

4. Get a clue

 

5.

 

6. You took the demo 3rd person, it could be glitchy and doesn't prove a thing.

 

7. I don't cheat and never have.

 

8. If you would like any demos have any you would like.

 

9. I've never been disputed in CAL

 

Here are my configs fyi

 

 

 

config.cfg

 

// This file is overwritten whenever you change your user settings in the game.

// Add custom configurations to the file "userconfig.cfg".

 

unbindall

bind "TAB" "+showscores"

bind "ESCAPE" "cancelselect"

bind "SPACE" "+jump"

bind "'" "+moveup"

bind "+" "sizeup"

bind "," "buyammo1"

bind "-" "sizedown"

bind "." "buyammo2"

bind "/" "+movedown"

bind "0" "slot10"

bind "1" "slot1"

bind "2" "slot2"

bind "3" "slot3"

bind "4" "slot4"

bind "5" "slot5"

bind "6" "slot6"

bind "7" "slot7"

bind "8" "slot8"

bind "9" "slot9"

bind ";" "+mlook"

bind "=" "sizeup"

bind "]" "invnext"

bind "`" "toggleconsole"

bind "a" "+moveleft"

bind "b" "buy"

bind "c" "radio3"

bind "d" "+moveright"

bind "e" "+use"

bind "f" "impulse 100"

bind "g" "drop"

bind "k" "stopsound"

bind "m" "chooseteam"

bind "r" "+reload"

bind "s" "+back"

bind "t" "impulse 201"

bind "u" "messagemode2"

bind "v" "radio2"

bind "w" "+forward"

bind "y" "messagemode"

bind "~" "toggleconsole"

bind "UPARROW" "+forward"

bind "DOWNARROW" "+back"

bind "LEFTARROW" "+left"

bind "RIGHTARROW" "+right"

bind "ALT" "+strafe"

bind "CTRL" "+duck"

bind "SHIFT" "+speed"

bind "F2" "+mp5"

bind "F3" "+deagle"

bind "F5" "snapshot"

bind "F6" "+team-light-rifle"

bind "F7" "+team-heavy-rifle"

bind "F9" "+awp"

bind "F10" "smoke"

bind "F11" "fgren"

bind "F12" "he"

bind "INS" "+klook"

bind "DEL" "rcon exec jadedmatch.cfg"

bind "PGDN" "+lookdown"

bind "PGUP" "+lookup"

bind "HOME" "helm"

bind "END" "centerview"

bind "MWHEELDOWN" "lastinv"

bind "MWHEELUP" "slot2"

bind "MOUSE1" "+attack"

bind "MOUSE2" "+attack2"

bind "PAUSE" "pause"

_cl_autowepswitch "1"

_snd_mixahead "0.1"

ati_npatch "1.0"

ati_subdiv "2"

bgmvolume "1.000000"

bottomcolor "6"

brightness "1.620000"

cl_allowdownload "0"

cl_allowupload "1"

cl_backspeed "400"

cl_cmdbackup "2"

cl_cmdrate "100.000000"

cl_corpsestay "300"

cl_dlmax "128"

cl_download_ingame "1"

cl_dynamiccrosshair "1"

cl_forwardspeed "400"

cl_himodels "0"

cl_idealpitchscale "0.8"

cl_lc "1"

cl_logocolor "#Valve_Orange"

cl_logofile "lambda"

cl_lw "1"

cl_minmodels "0"

cl_righthand "1"

cl_timeout "35"

cl_updaterate "101"

cl_vsmoothing "0.05"

cl_weather "0"

con_color "0 255 0"

console "1"

crosshair "1"

fastsprites "0"

fps_max "101"

fps_modem "0"

gamma "3"

gl_dither "1"

gl_flipmatrix "0"

gl_monolights "0"

gl_overbright "0"

gl_polyoffset "0.1"

hisound "1"

hpk_maxsize "0"

hud_capturemouse "1"

hud_centerid "1"

hud_draw "1"

hud_fastswitch "1"

hud_saytext_internal "1"

hud_takesshots "0"

joystick "0"

lookspring "0.000000"

lookstrafe "0.000000"

m_filter "0"

m_forward "1"

m_pitch "0.022"

m_side "0.8"

m_yaw "0.022"

model "gordon"

MP3Volume "0.800000"

mp_decals "20"

name "GeMiNi MoSs"

net_graph "3"

net_graphpos "3"

net_scale "5"

r_bmodelhighfrac "5.0"

s_a3d "0.0"

s_automax_distance "30"

s_automin_distance "2"

s_bloat "2.0"

s_distance "60"

s_doppler "0.0"

s_eax "1"

s_leafnum "0"

s_max_distance "1000"

s_min_distance "5"

s_numpolys "200"

s_polykeep "1000000000"

s_polysize "10000000"

s_refdelay "4"

s_refgain "0.4"

s_rolloff "1.0"

s_verbwet "0.25"

sensitivity "1.100000"

skin ""

spec_autodirector_internal "1"

spec_drawcone_internal "1"

spec_drawnames_internal "1"

spec_drawstatus_internal "1"

spec_mode_internal "4"

spec_pip "0"

suitvolume "0.250000"

sv_aim "0"

sv_voiceenable "1"

team ""

topcolor "30"

viewsize "120"

voice_enable "1"

voice_forcemicrecord "1.000000"

voice_modenable "1"

voice_scale "1"

volume "0.100000"

setinfo "_DOH" "avernus1"

setinfo "_vgui_menus" "0"

setinfo "_ah" "1"

setinfo "s" "1"

+mlook

+jlook

exec userconfig.cfg

 

 

and my autoexec

alias he "hegren"

alias fgren "flash

alias smoke "sgren"

 

 

alias helm "vesthelm"

 

 

alias +deagle "deagle"

alias -deagle "weapon_deagle"

 

 

alias +mp5 "mp5; wepitems"

alias -mp5 "weapon_mp5navy"

 

 

alias +team-light-rifle "ak47; m4a1"

alias -team-light-rifle "go_slot2; weapon_m4a1; weapon_ak47"

alias +team-heavy-rifle "sg552; aug"

alias -team-heavy-rifle "go_slot2; weapon_aug; weapon_sg552"

 

 

alias +awp "awp"

alias -awp "weapon_awp"

 

 

 

bind "F3" "+deagle"

bind "F2" "+mp5"

bind "F6" "+team-light-rifle"

bind "F7" "+team-heavy-rifle"

bind "F9" "+awp"

bind "home" "helm"

bind "F12" "he"

bind "F11" "fgren"

bind "F10" "smoke"

 

//new fps

 

//New (Better FPS)

 

//Better FPS!

hpk_maxsize "0"

r_mmx "1"

r_dynamic "1"

r_novis "0"

r_traceglow "1"

r_wateralpha "1"

r_mirroralpha "0"

r_bmodelhighfrac "5.0"

r_lightmap "0"

gl_wateramp "0"

gl_ztrick "0"

gl_cull "1"

gl_keeptjunctions "1"

gl_clear "0"

gl_polyoffset "0.1"

gl_dither "0"

gl_max_size "256"

precache "1"

fps_modem "0"

max_shells "0"

max_smokepuffs "5"

mp_decals "20"

gl_affinemodels "0"

gl_alphamin "0.25"

gl_clear "0"

gl_dither "1"

gl_flipmatrix "0"

gl_flashblend "0"

gl_lightholes "0"

gl_monolights "0"

gl_overbright "0"

gl_mipmap "1.4"

gl_polyoffset "0.1"

gl_spriteblend "999"

gl_cull "1"

gl_palette_tex "0"

gl_keeptjunctions "0"

gl_lightholes "0"

gl_nobind "0"

gl_picmip "0"

gl_playermip "1000"

gl_round_down "6"

gl_wateramp "0"

gl_ztrick "1"

gl_alphamin "0.25"

gl_texturemode "GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR"

gl_texsort "0"

gl_smoothmodels "0"

 

 

The commands in my autoexec are an fps config that has been floating around and has been posted on all major gaming sites.

 

Thanks for the support from the people that believe I don't cheat and have played with me for years.

 

And yermother please bring this crap somewhere else.

Edited October 12, 2003 by Mossad

[Guest Mossad]

oh btw....why don't you release the whole demo you took.

[Trouble .gc]

m0ss, there is a more mature way to handle that. don't get so defensive, and don't be so filppin rude. GEESH

[Guest Mossad]

Edited October 12, 2003 by Mossad

[Watchtower]

I know I woulnd't get so defensive or have a crappy attitude because "some pub" that I don't even care about playing on is accusing me of cheating. I would think it would bolster my ego and make me feel good about my skills. Maybe thats just me.. And as good as I've ever done, noone has accused me of cheating.. So. Whatever. I'll also say that something like this might make me mad, but this hasn't really happened before.. All we've ever done is just ban and then when we find out its Moss we unban, no questions..

[TheBugs]

LOL killer...

 

yea, moss is good but he doesnt hack. I agree with tek, if 3D came in and started owing everyone you would most likely call them hackers.

[Guest Mossad]

To tell you the truth I'm not angry. It's just the same bullpoop that I've been dealing with from people in this community for 3 years.

[TeK]

My bad =\ My apologies.