Saris January 9, 2006 Share Saris Member January 9, 2006 It seems you get rewarded and penalized heavily for completing/not completing your objective. I've never been one to care for it much, usually when I get the bomb, I give it to someone else, I just want to mad rush and kill people. But looking at the new stats, it looks like I'm going to have change my playing style a bit for a better ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubblegum Bandit January 9, 2006 Share Bubblegum Bandit Member January 9, 2006 And thus recognizing the problem with stats. Good or bad imo. Please understand I'm not trying to point a finger, merely show why stats can be a bad thing: But looking at the new stats, it looks like I'm going to have change my playing style a bit for a better ranking. We strive to make this a place that promotes comradery and team play over the individual. And while it is somewhat true that in this instance it could play into the hands of GC idealism. It is still about the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters January 9, 2006 Share stutters GC Alumni January 9, 2006 oh dude, that's nothing. look at #3's award points. you WILL complete the objectives. in the scheme of things, dropping the bomb (-2) is nothing compared to killing a hostie (-25) or planting the bomb (+15). also notice how you earn 0 points for killing all ct's/t's. if you have to change your playing style to complete the objectives on a team emphasized server, hooray! mission accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akaM2 January 9, 2006 Share akaM2 Member January 9, 2006 Loosing points for dropping the bomb? So no longer can you say here take the bomb and plant it and i will cover you, because you get penalized for it...........i feel better covering someone i dont know then asking them to cover me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playaa January 9, 2006 Share Playaa Member January 9, 2006 (edited) uh...I totally see a problem there with those stats. You get -2 for dropping the bomb, +5 for picking it up. Anyone see a problem there? 2 people could boost their rating rather well just by trading the bomb back and forth. I agree with BGB...Stats are for losers. *edit* now that I think about it...you don't even need a 2nd person. Edited January 9, 2006 by Playaa/Pselus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters January 9, 2006 Share stutters GC Alumni January 9, 2006 -2 for dropping the bomb is the hlstatsx default....which is what 99.9% of hlstatsx sites use. also, the t's get +10 (not hlstatsx default) for successfully blowing things up. -2 for cover, +10 for cover = +8. still come out better than camping and not supporting the bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephemeral January 9, 2006 Share ephemeral Member January 9, 2006 wow i just realized looking at the linky on johns post that the ct's have a huge responsibility! notice how many times the bomb was planted/bombed, compared to how many times the hosties were rescued. ct's never really seem to rescue hosties anymore...just pwn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuke January 9, 2006 Share MrDuke Member January 9, 2006 We're splitting hairs. Picking up or dropping the bomb shouldn't even come into play. There's an exception to every situation out there so let's just eliminate it. Whoever gets it planted gets some points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters January 9, 2006 Share stutters GC Alumni January 9, 2006 We're splitting hairs.Picking up or dropping the bomb shouldn't even come into play. There's an exception to every situation out there so let's just eliminate it. Whoever gets it planted gets some points. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 0 points for dropping on the bomb on #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangefamous January 9, 2006 Share strangefamous Member January 9, 2006 I could go either way about dropping the bomb, sometimes it's intentional sometimes it's not, either way in the long run -2 points is nothing. There are situations (like on a new map) where I'll drop the bomb. Sometimes I plain ole just don't feel like having the bomb so I'll toss it off. Both of these situations I take full responsibility for not either A) having the expierence of the map B:) Being lazy so I don't have a problem being penalized a miniscule amount. If this is a huge issue we can set the bomb dropping variable to 0 points. It's up to the general consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie January 9, 2006 Share mookie GC Alumni January 9, 2006 wow i just realized looking at the linky on johns post that the ct's have a huge responsibility! notice how many times the bomb was planted/bombed, compared to how many times the hosties were rescued. ct's never really seem to rescue hosties anymore...just pwn! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This makes sense though. If the Ts are playing right, they'd rather die than let the CTs actually rescue the hostages. Meanwhile, the Ts only have to delay the CTs long enough that they can't defuse; CTs usually will sooner ensure their ability to defuse safely than try to defuse when they know they'll get shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymo January 9, 2006 Share anonymo Member January 9, 2006 (edited) uh...I totally see a problem there with those stats.You get -2 for dropping the bomb, +5 for picking it up. Anyone see a problem there? 2 people could boost their rating rather well just by trading the bomb back and forth. I agree with BGB...Stats are for losers. *edit* now that I think about it...you don't even need a 2nd person. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If this is true we better change it fast...i'm going to go try to xploit this right now! Edit: Oh...it's not... Edited January 9, 2006 by anonymo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters January 9, 2006 Share stutters GC Alumni January 9, 2006 You get -2 for dropping the bomb, +5 for picking it up.Anyone see a problem there? 2 people could boost their rating rather well just by trading the bomb back and forth. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> my new friend is the view action list. i'm even ordering a 2nd super sized ban stick from ebay to use on the people i find using the exploit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz.e.rus January 9, 2006 Share Laz.e.rus Member January 9, 2006 (edited) I like the idea of pushing for more teamplay/objectives. But if its overbalanced it can really screw things up. You finally get the bomb then awped.-- No matter how good you are, the nub that picks it up and plants it TOTALLY owns joo in the stats. I think all objective style bonuses should be included, but not so heavily. As a general rule, only ONE person can plant, ONE can defuse, ONE usually rescues hosties, etc. Instead of promoting the team, it really pushes to tk the defuser and do it yourself type of attitude. Isnt there a bonus for the WHOLE team you are on instead if the objective is completed? edit: Ill often run distraction for a team. " Im going left to make lots of noise and die horribly. You guys plant right. Dont come with me Ill be dead in 3 seconds" Now, that type of teamplay is heavily frowned on by the stat-er-izer. Edited January 9, 2006 by Laz.e.rus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters January 9, 2006 Share stutters GC Alumni January 9, 2006 yes, there are team and player points. public can only view the player points, but trust me, the entire objective-completing team is heavily rewarded. ex, defuser gets 20 pts, team gets 10 pts. team could get higher, but i'd rather take baby steps to find the sweet spot then jump way past it. i do agree, they can't completely overshadow teh 1337 awp skillz, but i'm over watching kids sit in opposite corners while their rushing team is sacrificed....then typing top10 to see if they made it. finding the balance is gonna be hard, but good thing stats only observe the past 21 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laz.e.rus January 9, 2006 Share Laz.e.rus Member January 9, 2006 really? so if you dont play for 21 days your totally off the chart? Wow!! Cool!!! why didnt you say that before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discom January 9, 2006 Share discom Member January 9, 2006 So can ppl have negative skill if all they do is sit there and shoot hosties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters January 9, 2006 Share stutters GC Alumni January 9, 2006 So can ppl WILL have negative skill if all they do is sit there and shoot hosties?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tWc|WhiteyFord January 10, 2006 Share tWc|WhiteyFord Member January 10, 2006 i love the new stats, they are great. we ownzer the west server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymo January 10, 2006 Share anonymo Member January 10, 2006 Just looking through the stats again...I LOVE EM! good job...strangefamous? I think it's your baby isn't it? Awesome, amazing, stupendous job! You're getting free beer at FF...man I better bring a lot of beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangefamous January 10, 2006 Share strangefamous Member January 10, 2006 Just looking through the stats again...I LOVE EM! good job...strangefamous? I think it's your baby isn't it? Awesome, amazing, stupendous job! You're getting free beer at FF...man I better bring a lot of beer <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No thanks necessary, just community service Thanks for the compliments though I love the stats too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruten January 10, 2006 Share Kruten Member January 10, 2006 Just looking through the stats again...I LOVE EM! good job...strangefamous? I think it's your baby isn't it? Awesome, amazing, stupendous job! You're getting free beer at FF...man I better bring a lot of beer <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No thanks necessary, just community service Thanks for the compliments though I love the stats too! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He has to to make up for those months he was AWOL. GJ!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stutters January 10, 2006 Share stutters GC Alumni January 10, 2006 Just looking through the stats again...I LOVE EM! good job...strangefamous? I think it's your baby isn't it? Awesome, amazing, stupendous job! You're getting free beer at FF...man I better bring a lot of beer <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No thanks necessary, just community service Thanks for the compliments though I love the stats too! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> in other words, if i make it FF, i get his free beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangefamous January 10, 2006 Share strangefamous Member January 10, 2006 No beer for john. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EbilDustBunny January 10, 2006 Share EbilDustBunny GC Alumni January 10, 2006 This is prolly true my accuracy is 0.0% but how do you change that ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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