LRWarrior May 8, 2014 Share LRWarrior Member May 8, 2014 Recently there was talk of a new member only server coming online, that I hear has fallen through. Could we possibly have a vote on turning one of the existing servers into a M/O server? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flitterkill May 8, 2014 Share Flitterkill GC Board Member May 8, 2014 Never heard of that talk anywhere myself. Not a really GC thing either - we want public servers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test May 9, 2014 Share Test Member May 9, 2014 admins only server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRWarrior May 9, 2014 Author Share LRWarrior Member May 9, 2014 Just thought it would be nice to be able to have a game once in awhile where everyone knows how to use the points system and understands all the server rules. Actually it would be nice to have a game like that every day, sadly since the second server has been up and has diluted the relatively few members online at any given moment between the two, I only have fond memories of games like that. Are there no member only GC servers for any games? Can we not have a vote to see what the membership wants? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
san` May 9, 2014 Share san` GC Alumni May 9, 2014 GC is and always has been a community that welcomes and accommodates new players. We will not be requiring membership to play here. It's bad enough that so many of the paying members rarely visit the forums and provide input to the community, instead they pay the $15 for the reserve and never look back. Part of being GC means that the folks who know how the point system works should be teaching those who don't. How else will they learn and become proficient? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRWarrior May 9, 2014 Author Share LRWarrior Member May 9, 2014 (edited) I'm not saying we shouldn't welcome and accommodate new players nor am I saying membership should be required, since there would be a server where all that can still happen. As far as helping new players to learn the point system and rules, I made a spray with some of the menu commands months ago and sprayed it all the time until an admin covered it with his new spray recently letting me know it was not needed anymore, so I deleted it. Also I do my best to inform new players of the server rules. "We will not be requiring membership to play here" Sorry I am relatively new here and I guess I should have done more research to get a better understanding of how GC operated, I had no idea you were the person I needed to speak to about this. Other groups I have been a part of similar to this voted on everything, policy and rules were decided democratically by all members. Since you have made up your mind feel free to delete this thread. I guess it's more understandable now why so many of the paying members rarely visit the forums and provide input. Edited May 9, 2014 by LRWarrior 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladPiranha May 9, 2014 Share VladPiranha Member May 9, 2014 San, you don't even play on the Left 4 Dead 2 servers. How can you know what's best for them? Firstly, I've spent a significant amount of time trying to teach concepts like spawnblocking, the dangers of rushing, the !buy system, and keybinds to new players. I can count the number of people who truly took this to heart and remain with the community on a single hand (You've come a long way, Hussan!). I never give up on trying to give back, and it's always worthwhile to give a hand to the people who truly care, but it's foolish naïveté to think that we see respectable, permanent returns on community investment. You're right that it's hard to find people who want to have a voice outside of the game, San, but the reality is that many of our new visitors don't share our opinions of what constitues a good time. Their brand of fun may not involve challenge and learning, so there's little incentive for them to learn the advanced techniques that we all consider necessities. Meanwhile, there's a middle ground between novices and experts that I personally found disheartening when I was coming up. People who are still learning, but want to get better, are just as much at the mercy of griefers as the rest of us. I can only imagine how many of them we've lost because they can't learn in a toxic environment. In spite of the efforts of the admins and regulars to spread the gospel of teamwork, every campaign will feature a few troublemakers that can get our new people killed or worse. There's little worse than seeing rushing mains up in the lead and the real team players dying in the back. Do you fall back and help the team at the risk of dying or do you commit the sin of rushing yourself to salvage what's left of a game? Veterans know the answer to that question. New people don't and might panic, as they often do. I've seen many of them follow rushers simply to protect them and get reprimanded for it. It's hard to learn by example when such a bad example is being set. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to have a server set aside so that our established player base can feel that they're being properly challenged. We have a beautiful, complex, server-side mod on our hands that really brings depth to an already great game and I feel like we never actually play it, we just police it while cursing the day that Southeast Asia discovered Steam sales. Remember Cameron's dad's Ferarri from Ferris Bueller's Day Off? That's a lot like what the mod is some days - a really cool toy that we only maintain and polish with a diaper and never really play with as intended. If people knew that they could look forward to a clean, problem-free server once they learned the basics, it would actually greatly increase the incentive to pick up on the techniques that we emphasize. If they had to report to the GC forums to sign up for such a privilege, it would increase awareness of the forums in general. Everyone would get what they wanted. If you want to see new faces on the forums, then give them something to talk about. Part of being GC means that the folks who know how the point system works should be teaching those who don't. How else will they learn and become proficient? Yes, but when do they finally get to take a break and enjoy the fruits of their efforts without any turmoil to have to stomp out? Don't assume that nobody would ever show up to the regular servers again. Give us some credit, we're not too selfish to be helpful. Like I said, I like being able to spearhead an effort for positive change. I sometimes think that if GC was a farm, our members would be obligated to sleep in the mud with the pigs rather than a bed just so they wouldn't get too comfortable. Are we so offended by the notion of them enjoying themselves after they give their best? Let them have their cake and eat it too once in a while. There's an old spiritual song that sums this up best: Sometimes you want to goWhere everybody knows your nameAnd they're always glad you cameYou want to be where you can seeOur troubles are all the sameYou want to be where everybody knows your name Gary Portnoy understands our pain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swatfishy May 9, 2014 Share swatfishy Member May 9, 2014 the biggest issue is probably not enough members to populate a 3rd? server for a full 10v10. maybe a 6v6 or something could work though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chick82 May 9, 2014 Share chick82 Member May 9, 2014 San, you don't even play on the Left 4 Dead 2 servers. How can you know what's best for them? San actually has and does play on the l4d2 servers. That being said, I will say this. I started in l4d2 on GC and like maybe 6-7 months ago started playing CS:Go, and I will say the CS:GO GC community is WAY different than the L4D2 community. No one is ever mad about losing (and if they are they don't say it), everyone is helpful, nice, respectful. No one ever makes you feel bad for a mistake, or for being the last one up against one other person and dying. I mean it's so Night and Day it's crazy. And it doesn't matter if you are a member or not, I mean you could be a total noob that bought the game 10 mins ago and joined, and they are like nice try, good game, or just chatting up about random stuff. There isn't this hostility or kinda of elitist (might not be the best word) mentality. NOW that being Said, L4D2 has A LOT more going on in one game then a CS:GO match so in fairness that has some frustrations there. I get wanting to do a member's only server, but we get members because we are open to anyone. I mean we've had a lot of new joins, people who want to learn, want to talk, want to enjoy in the fun. We have members (like me) who have played for years and will never be on the same level as Swat or Chimi, (you know the would be hackers, hehe jk), and just as one really new person can change a game so can guys like this. I think personally I've seen more people join who are talking or communicating and really wanting to learn (idk maybe that's just me being positive). Trying a new thing here bear with me. But I mean a lot of members seem more willing to say "use this" or "type this", and even sending points, instead of the old mentality of "don't send him points it's not worth it". Just my 2 cents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieChan May 9, 2014 Share JackieChan GC Alumni May 9, 2014 I don't see the benefit of having a 24/7 members only server at all. Scheduled member only nights on ONE of the servers though, maybe, would be something to consider, but I'm not really for segregating new players/regulars from members. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakgyrl510 May 9, 2014 Share oakgyrl510 Member May 9, 2014 add gc members to ur friend list. tell em go play server when you play. they auto kick non members. repeat til the server = all members. problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
san` May 9, 2014 Share san` GC Alumni May 9, 2014 All due respect, Vlad, but I've put my time in. So don't come in here thinking I don't know what the hell is going on in there. I've got to head to work, but I'll post more later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasx May 9, 2014 Share crasx GC Alumni May 9, 2014 Scheduled member only nights on ONE of the servers though, maybe, would be something to consider, but I'm not really for segregating new players/regulars from members. Thats a great idea. I (kinda) tried to do the customs thing but then I was lazy. and the maps are too big. Another thing is that the servers were always full with members so nobody could join. Since the 2nd server we've seen an influx of new members which is really what keeps the community going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madvillain May 9, 2014 Share Madvillain Member May 9, 2014 San - Do you even L4D bro?? Actually yes you do/did. I feel your frustration sometimes LR, it can be very aggravating when you have a team of rushers and people who do not communicate or help the team as a whole. I see you on a lot of mornings/early afternoon, which is when I generally get a chance to play, but I would encourage you to play on server #1 in the evenings (especially on the weekends). When you play at those times it can even be difficult to get on to server 1 because it is full of members... there are generally some epic battles on those full server nights. Being that only members don't get kicked and can sit in spec spots means that we do have a member's only server on those busy nights, which negates the need for a member only server. The problem with a member only server would be that the other server(s) would be mostly void of members, leaving them a ghost town/full of the people some of you are trying to avoid... Sadly they would be full of rushers, rule breakers and minimal support for people who actually want to learn/help. A lot of you wouldn't be GC members or even on the forums if these secondary servers is what you found. You would have played minimal time, said "screw it, this isn't fun" and rage quit. Sadly the L4D community,as a whole, has dwindled over the years... I think its due to the age of the game, ~5 years, and also, in my opinion, one of the worst communities out there. L4D has always been full of ragers, trolls and jerks.... Which is why a lot of great players, who make it fun to play together have landed here and called our server(s) home. I would hate to destroy that now.... The idea of a members only server sounds great but what happens when there are only a couple members on?? Do you really want to play 10v10 with only 3 or 4 real players and a ton of bots??? My 2 cents. Now I will have to go to 7-11 and get some more from the leave a penny/take a penny cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenHeart May 18, 2014 Share GreenHeart Member May 18, 2014 greeny is in da house :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasx May 19, 2014 Share crasx GC Alumni May 19, 2014 welcome! you should start a new thread instead of digging up and old one. Feel free to introduce yourself or reach out if you have any questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRWarrior May 29, 2014 Author Share LRWarrior Member May 29, 2014 Now that some people have had a chance to express their opinions and it is clear there is support for a member only server, could we please have a vote to see where the membership stands on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chick82 May 29, 2014 Share chick82 Member May 29, 2014 GC is an open community to anyone, and will never be a place where you have to be a member or have requirements to be able to play on their servers. It never has and never will. We wouldn't have the amount of members we do if we did have a members only server. GC is amazing because it's open to anyone, if the L4D2 community was anything like the CS:Go mentality it would be a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasx May 29, 2014 Share crasx GC Alumni May 29, 2014 Now that some people have had a chance to express their opinions and it is clear there is support for a member only server, could we please have a vote to see where the membership stands on this? No, from what I can see all the board members are against it. However, we could consider a special night on one server... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swatfishy May 29, 2014 Share swatfishy Member May 29, 2014 However, we could consider a special night on one server... soon™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowflake May 30, 2014 Share Snowflake Member May 30, 2014 I agree with members taking over a server every once in a while and im new and always willing to learn more!! Don't yell at me teach me I don't get offended easily so if I'm doing something uh noobish just tell me how to fix it, it's what happens at work at the firehouse. Thanks guys and gals. Love the servers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButterNJelly May 30, 2014 Share PeanutButterNJelly GC Alumni May 30, 2014 Having a specific night and time isn't a bad idea, though that kind of happens on weekend nights anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madvillain May 30, 2014 Share Madvillain Member May 30, 2014 It happens on some random weekday nights anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRWarrior May 30, 2014 Author Share LRWarrior Member May 30, 2014 "No, from what I can see all the board members are against it." You guys could have saved us some time by telling me right off the bat paying members don't have any say, I think I will become one of those people that "pay the $15 for the reserve and never look back" as I see no point in the forums if all is dictated from the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeanutButterNJelly May 30, 2014 Share PeanutButterNJelly GC Alumni May 30, 2014 I had a couple ideas... 1) admin vs member night - maybe we can set a day and time soon, to have admins vs members? We could use Mumble to communicate, make teams and rotate people in and out. We could turn off all talk for admins. 2) member team night - again set a specific night and time, join in mumble maybe and choose up teams, or assign people to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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