Been Banned banned

[Guest TeKNiK]

erm...no comment.

[[VI]ROosTEr]

I think the thread about the third party maps was a perfect example of how to handle a problem. Somebody came with a concern, stated their problem clearly and with little emotion. This topic was discussed and things went pretty good. I dunno, but it seems when people just start handing out blame nothing gets solved.

 

Try a discussion with a rational and non-emotional basis and maybe the discussion can take place. Then maybe your point won't get lost in the flame and backlash. Then, just maybe someone will see your point and agree. However, until these arguments are well though out and presented in a rational way, nothing is going to change because the argument will be seen as another flame in a long list of flames, and no credence will be given to the point. I also agree that the phrase if you don't like it, leave has been thrown around a lot, but man, can you blame 'em?

 

I am in no way affilliated with mmmm, but I will agree that they are providing a service and this service comes at a price. It also comes with a few concessions that people need to get used to or really and truly find a new server. This is not a mean statement. It simply may be that this is no longer the best for you to play. Enjoy the boards and chill with all your friends, but get your game on in a server that is more to your liking. I really don't see the problem with that, but I guess that is just me.

[Guest Mossad]

hi

[Fatty]

Lance034: its all a two-way street and you deciding not to try and resolve the issue before it blows up shows some things

Here's my take on this: Talent believes that Mmmm created this issue. A bunch of others feel that Mmmm has created this issue and many others like it.

 

Hold up! Let's go back. WE created THIS issue? So, it wasn't an issue until we stepped up and said: "We're not going to allow you to talk to our members and bash our organization or decisions like that, and still enjoy the luxury of our server."

 

So, it's all fine and dandy for people to flame this and that in a disrespectful way, but once Mmmm takes a stand on something....WE'VE caused a problem then.

 

It's true, there are lots of people sliding around here LOOKING for problems. I watch people on HLSW using alias's, poking at Mmmm and members, just looking for a fight. It's rather sad. The logs tell me Talent, after having telling us how "dumb" things were, continues to enjoy our server playing under various names. Why? Dunno. Should we allow that? No.

 

I love analogies. So here we are, in the Mmmm frat house. Hanging out, doing whatever. Now, a car pulls up and they get out and start cussing and yelling. They hate our paint color. They don't like how we trim our shrubs. They don't like the cars we drive, and so on. Then they pile back in their car and leave. So life goes on, and we're having parties like normal around the frat house, and we notice some of the guys from the car are hanging around the party. Some walk right in the front door, others kinda sneak around back and just hang around the keg. Strange that these are some of the same group, but oh well. No biggie. Life goes on, and the pattern continues, the car screeches up, some of the same guys, some new ones, they stand there on the tree lawn cussing, maybe tossing a bottle here and there. Oh well, no biggie, it's college life. They really don't hurt anyone, and just seem to be pleased yelling things from the front yard. The parties continue, and some of the same people hang out, some right in the living room, and again, several just hang out back in the shadows, drinking from the keg, keeping to their own group. No biggie, it's a party, right?

 

Then one night, one of these guys starts some trouble in the house because we're playing some music he doesn't like. We look at each other funny as he continues to ramble on about how the band sucks, etc. After a while, someone who is tired of the complaining asks the guy to quiet down, cause it's really causing a ruckus. Well, then he get's a little upset because now we're opressing him. No, some others tell him, as they try to explain that we're just having a party, and he seems to be the only one upset with the music.

 

Then a car screeches up. Several guys get out of the car. They start in with their normal bantering about our parties and our painting, and they are curiously obsessed with the horrible trim job on our bushes out front. They yell to their buddy inside, shouting encouragement. Well, after a while, someone suggests to the person that he should just leave if he doesn't like the music. This clearly upsets him, but confuses everyone all the more. Eventually, however, he leaves.

 

Time goes by and things are going as normal, each day, almost like clockwork, the car screeches to a halt outside in the street, a group piles out, and yells at the house, even sometimes when nobody is home. They just feel content with yelling at the house now. Parties continue, and some of the same fellas are seen inside the house, some hop over the fence in the back so as not to be seen in the front, but the parties go on without many problems. Oh sure, it's a party, so here and there people get a little out of hand, and sometimes the cops even have to be called, but hey, it's college life!

 

So months go by, and the parties are getting larger, in fact the people in the house have started hiring DJ's to spin the records. They decide to buy the house, and they put an addition on. It's not the same old poker party that it used to be, but people gather, and people have fun, more people than ever! And, like clockwork, almost on a daily basis, a car skids to a stop out front, and a group of guys get out, stand in the treelawn, and yell at the house. They yell at the addition too, cause it doesn't match the old house. They wave their fists and yell that they will never ever come to a party at this house. The people on the porch look at each other.

 

And days go by, and the car screeches up. And nights pass, and some guys stand in the treelawn yelling. One day, one of the guys from one of the cars actually got out with a sleeping bag and spent the night in the treelawn. The people living in the house thought this very curious. They wondered if they should call the police, but decide he really wasn't doing harm. All through the night, on the hour, the guy would unzip his bag, stand up, and yell at the house. He'd yell how he hated the house, and the people that came to their parties. He'd yell at specific people that lived in the house, and how he hated them. Then he'd crawl back into his sleeping bag, only to get up again about an hour later. The next afternoon, when another car slid into the curb and another yelling session began, they took him away with him.

 

And the parties went on. And the yelling continued. And the house was repainted and a couple more additions put on. The yelling continued. One time they even yelled about all the dead grass in the treelawn. And days passed.

 

One day, a guy got out of the car and threw a brick at the house...

[mrX]

Geez guys, you wanna kick the Mmmm dog too?

 

Not sure why this has become such a huge issue other than an underlying resentment. I'll echo Fatty in saying what I've also said elsewhere, why come around a place you don't like? If it's the server: throw some random numbers at the end of Trops IP, you'll get some other GD servers (Hoogz did). If it's the people: well ask them to come play with you somewhere, wherever, if there is this consensus.

 

I think those that are unhappy are few, and realize their leaving would be a drop in the bucket. For clarification, I'm not talking about being unhappy with any particular aspect; I'm speaking of the proclaimed 'magnitude' of people who 'hate' Mmmm. So they stick around being antogonistic yet enjoying the good free stuff around here. I say good riddance if you go; check your attitude if you stay.

 

Like it or not, you only get problems when you start problems. Talent's attitude was poor. His approach was just wrong; many of the posters above agree with that. He has chosen to make it a matter of "principle" instead of apologizing and letting it go. That's his choice. GL to him.

 

Call it arrogance, or what you will, but if we can't have some principles we stick to in our house (do what you will in your own), why not just pack the whole thing up?

[Fatty]

Geez guys, you wanna kick the Mmmm dog too?

Well, that's Gunman, and that's how this started, isn't it?

[Gunman]

Hey guys, I just want to clairify a few things for some people.

 

First off I want to say that Talent was not banned until we discussed the convo I had with him in the private forums. We decided as a clan that the offense, or however you see it in your eyes, deserved a ban UNTIL he apologized.

 

Second, I want to say that when he instant messaged me his tone was obviously not a friendly one. I know you can look at it from many viewpoints, and you can claim "Fatty" over analyzes everyones posts, and IM's. Well let me say again that this was a CLAN decision, Fatty did not make it himself. Talent wanted the map changed when the server was full, and there was no way I was going to change it to a map of his choice. However, I WOULD have brought a vote up for a map of his choice HAD he not been so rude about me doing it.

 

As for my attitude during the convo, I must say that Talent was rather rude about the situation. I tried to defer him to a senior member of the clan so they could explain the situation. He wouldn't have any of it, and I know darn well what he was trying to do. He wanted me to bust my lid and flip out, well instead I tried to dump it on Fatty and mrX because, as I said before they are senior members. It was my belief that from the beginning of the convo Talent purposly asked me thinking I would do it for him, and when I said no he blew up at me.

 

In the end I say this : Despite the fact that Fatty comes out here and takes alot of flack for all kinds of things in and around the community he does not make all of the decisions by himself. We are a team, and as a team we make decisions that we feel will benefit the team, even if it means catching flack from other people around the community. I remember a former member of the community once saying "I don't hold grudges" and I must say that this will not leave me with a grudge against anyone, not even Talent.

 

People around the community will continue to say that, but will they actually stick to it? I doubt it, but I do agree with most of what everyone said in here, but this was not just a decision Fatty made on a whim.

 

Long live the CCC!

 

Gunny

[DJ Premier]

I knew I should have posted my post elsewhere. Oh well, live and learn.

 

But I think I'll take your advice guys. I think I've tried directly and indirectly to point out that there are some things that could be improved. The negativity flows from both sides but very few ppl will acknowledge that. Talent may have a bad attitude and deserved his ban, but there is a way and method to do it that is graceful and respectful and allows blame for negativity to be solely placed on the offender. If another way or method is used, it produces threads like this one. I have read a few times where ppl recommended that ppl should try not to get all heated from a forum thread but the very same ppl get heated from forum threads. The blame is two way because the ones trying to set the example, are not setting the example by remaining as positive as they can. Sure, its hard, but as leaders, one is responsible for setting that positive example. If that example is not set, then it leads to ppl yelling "tyrant" and ppl once again spewing negativity. Like I said before, its cyclical.

 

A leader does not stoop to the level of a lowly whiner by flaming back and then saying that the masses should try and not flame. An effective leader should lead by example. That is the only way one can be respected.

 

One asks why I stay and argue my points? Well, to answer that directly, I have been a part of this community almost 3 years. I have a vested interest in seeing it succeed. When I see things going wrong, I try and communicate my thoughts on the matter. There was always faith that when problems were identified, there would be an honest search to find the problem and fix it. That problem can be internal or external but regardless, it would get fixed. But I think my faith has dwindled.

 

So, today will be my last day on this forum and this community. I sense that things will not change because my faith that the leadership is able to see all sides objectively and lead by proper example has dwindled. I don't see this as a bad thing. This is my view and I'm sure many of you will disagree. Those who disagree with me will of course stay happily as they should.

 

Also, this decision in no way is representative of how DOH feels. Yes, I am one of several DOH member to decide to leave but this should not be a reflection of how my other DOH brothers feel. I would assume that if you are honorable men, you would treat them as individuals and not hold it against them for my leaving.

 

So, many thanks for the years. Good luck in the future.

[[VI]ROosTEr]

DJ, your posts have been well thought out, and this seems like a decision you are not making lightly. Much respect for communicating in such a way, and I hope you have fun man.

[Fatty]

You know, I want to say take care, DJ, but I'm struggling with some of your references to me in your post. I'm sure you'll stop back, but you may or may not care to respond.

 

A leader does not stoop to the level of a lowly whiner by flaming back and then saying that the masses should try and not flame.

I'd ask you to show me where I stoop and flame back. This thread? Sure perhaps I have in the past, haven't most of us stooped? Anyways, I tried to post strong point here, but didn't feel I was stooping. I'd really like to hear your honest opinion of where you feel I did this. Perhaps AIM me.

 

I sense that things will not change because my faith that the leadership is able to see all sides objectively and lead by proper example has dwindled.

 

Dunno what to say to this. Maybe you're not speaking directly to me, maybe I'm taking that for granted. If this is directed to me, and that by being steadfast is a poor example, then chalk me up as such.

 

I wish you luck in wherever your path takes you.

[zad]

hi...my name is zad....and i've been cs free for 4 days now...

 

could we get a poll on whether fatty is a punk? just wanna see if it goes anywhere near

[Kurtz]

Well since this is the time to air things out i have to say this.zad how dare you call someone a punk, the whole time youve been in this community youve been nothing but trouble.from your slapin players and verbal abuse in game to your l33t pro gamer attitude and lack of team play.I think your the north end of a donkey goin south and you havent played in 4 days cause you suck and have no skill since your toggle button got struck from viewing porn on your comp.Ya thats right your toggle button cause i know you hack.Your not the only one in that clan thats been nothing but trouble,Yer your lacky hes no better that hackin no skill guy couldnt shoot his way out of a paper bag and i bet i can out program him any day of the week you computer geek.

 

 

 

Have a nice day

Edited May 1, 2003 by Kurtz

[whiplash]

Lance034: are you going to a real map anytime soon?

Hi Fat. I just want to comment on this opening line that Talent made to Gunman because you made a comment regarding that line as being a rude entry into the conversation(not directly).

 

Well I do agree the line can seem to be rude, but I have learned many times that people who may appear to be rude are in fact being polite in their own mind. I mean, I am not the best speaker or the best writer in the world ( and shouldnt have to be ) sometimes when I say things to others it may come off as being rude or misunderstood,when I didnt mean it to come off that way. In essence I think talent was simply asking a question wether or not the map was going to be changed, then asked why it wont be. I dont look at that question and see it as an offencive attack on anyone.

 

Now I dont want to comment on what the rest of the conversation was like which IMHO was handled poorly by both individuals and I dont think it should have resulted in a perm ban, or even a ban at all. In my opinion (which isnt even worth 2 cents ) I think both individuals should apologize to each other and be on with their lives like mature adults would.

[Guest TeKNiK]

:bows down to DJ:

 

I think thats honestly what I have been wanting to say but couldn't find the right words. He did it very nicely without and flame attitude. GL in your future DJ and I'll definately being seeing you on DOH sometimes in the future when you play since I ping very nicely to it . I rarely pub but I'll try and stop by a couple of times.

 

I think everyone in this place needs to reasses their attitudes towards everyone. I mean fatty, I mean Talent, I mean every single person who shows hatred towards another and I know everyone shows hatred for at least one person here. You guys are ceasing to forget that you leave your attitude elsewhere and join A ONLINE VIDEO GAME. I honestly think this whole garbage started from past experiences with talent and his attitude in general. Sure he has a nasty attitude when he posts but I have to honestly say that sometimes I am the same way when I post and do not show any friends when I do.

 

DJ has said what I have been meaning to say for a while. Granted I haven't been here as long as he has. 3+ years him. About 1 year maybe less for me. I too have noticed a change in how this place is run which is why you don't see me playing on Trop very often. I say one wrong thing and I am banned. So to remedy that I just don't play there. Sure I post here cause I have gotten some positive feedback from people with questions I have concerning computers in the forum and "sort of" enjoy most people here. I still look foward to a lan even if there is going to be one now not with the same people =\ . With all this anger arrising from many different parties, I am sure people are not going to want to go now.

 

On a final note. Everyone better look back at what stupid reason you play this game. Whether its the meer fact its a an addiction or the fact that you like playing with people here. The general attitude towards me I don't feel is very great partially cause I tell it straight how it is and 9 times out of 10 it doesn't agree with everyone. Hate me? Cool! Like Me! Prolly don't care. I am going to go back to what ST said. "You have the right to your own opinion as long as it agrees with ours." Ponder that most of you who come here. I don't have to enjoy the company of any of you to enjoy my time on these forums. I always wanted a place to go and post like most others do on dif places. GL to your future DJ and DOH.

[yErMoTH3r]

what kurtz said

 

and I hate you all

 

im waiting to use the line: "There's no crying in counter-strike"

[Guest whatever]

I was part of this community for almost 1 1/2 years, playing on Mmmm Platinum with people like Hambone 24/7. Then came the time when I was part of MwR and we won every match we had in Mcc4 except 1 vs. DOH. Ever since we won mcc4, everyone hated us. I then got banned from Mmmm's server and Forums, which didnt bother me much since I had already left the community. To me now, its embarassing to say I was part of this community. But Ive moved on now, thank god, i wish the best of luck to all of you community members who play here all the time. Once again, the person who wrongfully banned me was Fatty(what else is new).

 

Peace scrubs

[Magruter]

There is no doubt in my mind that 98% of the people that play here hate Mmmm.

That's quite a lot. The scary thing is I think you're being serious.

What is this all about??

 

Is this true tek? Are part of the 98%??

 

Anytime i'm playing on trop i have great time. I believe i run the server well, map changes, kicking the tker's along with the other Mmmm's. I constantly hear laughter, doesn't sound like hate!!! I've made alot of friends here in the past six months since i've been in the community. I hate to feel that this is just because thier ping is 20 points lower. Well i would start a list, but i don't where to start. You give me a name and I can probably tell you at least one personal fact about that person, fav weapon, how they play, etc....

 

If you are part of this "98%" Please do not come into our server.... That is the last time I'll ask that. I play there for the people, I'm all about making friends and enjoying the game. Sorry, but i'm gonna be selfish here, if you don't share those ideals then you are not welcome...

[NOFX]

Wow, You guys have waaayyyy to much freetime. Especially to be arguin over a ban! It is kinda funny that you would ban someone from a server when they wasnt even playing. Kinda lame to ban someone for an AOL conversation.....Its kinda like the movie "Friday". Craig, how the hell did you get fired on your day off. Hahah anywayz, good luck on the banning. My advice would be to ban the camping noobs that are -1 17 to make the game more enjoyable for the rest of the people instead of banning the good players. Be careful or you will have noone left to play on server. Happy banning and I will see you all at the LAN!!!!

 

Also, does the ban really matter? I mean I know I haven not been able to play on the server since you guys started the reserved slots. Im sure alot of ppl have the same prob, the server never has an open spot! and on top of that, you cant even make hlsw wait to connect cuz of the reserved slots. I guess i would let the kid paying me 10 bucks to play on my server play before I would let the old regulars

Edited May 1, 2003 by NOFX

[Guest TeKNiK]

I didn't find this place by pure luck. I was forced here when the old place I played on got bad. I sometimes display their site here.

 

www.aixgaming.com

 

Smoke refered us AIX regulars to Mmmm cause that was the first place I guess he played when he started cs? I could be wrong. When AIX got bad he said he was going back here to play with these people since he enjoyed it here a lot. Now, Smoke has been the target of many things and he doesn't like it a lot. Whether its personal feeling towards him or just the outright disgust of all of you by his posts then thats your decision. AIX was a server that was admined incredibly, had a great skill, and an all around good feeling by all people that played. Stuff you get here OCCASIONALY but more so not than others. No one hated each other and there was a nice family. I joined around 1.3 and I didn't feel as veteran as all the players there but I still enjoyed myself. Unfortunately, server people became roostery and made it a crappy place to play. The webmaster and server owner [AIX]Hood also changed the server to 1.6 beta (Which I might add is always full when its up). So we were even unable to play on it.

 

AIX was one of the first servers up when betas came along. The likes of KSharp, Amic, and original. (KSharp is in 3d, Amic and Original are ex [DoP] and now [rdw]). I never played with any of these people but my friends did when AIX came ip and have told me stories. Thats how I know my friends in zx2. 2 of them are my real life friends. AIX was the first place I played on.

 

I don't play on your server very often Magruter. With the fact thats its full a lot or I don't like the map being played. When/if I pub I find whatever server is open and play there for maybe a map then leave. I don't have to play on your server to enjoy my time here on the forums. In fact I enjoy these forums a lot. Its something I come and view when I am bored here at home or in school. I can enjoy the personalitys of people here on forums and flat out hate them in game. 2 sides of a stone.

 

I personally think that even tho you feel you have made friends here and I am quite sure you have and I am glad you have as making friends is always a good thing. I'm all down for making friends here also. But MANY of these people have a dif. feeling towards all of this and have a hidden opinion and agenda on everyone. Some people show all love and compassion towards all of you when your around and happy. But in the confines of other places they can bash you 100%. I know this cause I have witnessed it (I will ABSOLUTELY NOT say who I have spoken with to ABSOLUTELY NOBODY). Its people Magruter. Some of them you may not even expect. Its how people are. I was always told to "Don't trust anybody." In essecense you have to realize that this is the truth. Everyone here has gone through backstabbing and hurt. Don't lie cause everyone here has. Regardless of how much you think you can trust someone 100% you really can't. I don't care whether they are a close personal friend, your dog, or even an ONLINE PERSONALITY. I sometimes think every Mmmm here has a "hidden" agenda that no one here knows about but again we as people here in this community don't know about it. You all have private forums regulars aren't able to read where you discuss clan related stuff. I think its fair (Not being sarcastic here). We don't know what goes on in there. You all can hate every single one of us and us not even know about it. But when it comes time for public display you hide that and show that nice happy side of you.

 

If you wish for me to leave Magruter and/or fatty then I will as well. I guess that means I am not able to attend the big lan =( . I don't want to be apart of a place where I am disliked by everyone cause my POV doesn't match those of others. I never once in this place bashed another member. If I have then I apologize and my memory is not up to par. My view is just totally dif. then what this place is being run by. I just choose to keep my comments to myself and others. Am I smart for telling people how I feel? Definately not cause they can go behind my back and post up what I have said. I don't have to like EVERY SINGLE thing these people do and in fact there are many things I don't like. Some things I enjoy. Same with everyone. Some things you enjoy while other things you don't.

 

In the end, everyone here needs to look at themselves in the mirror and think about why you are here. I am here cause I enjoy these forums A WHOLE LOT. Do I like how the server is run? 75% no 25% yes. My simple solution has always been to not play there. This is the solution for everyone I think. This I am not lying about. I really think many people here disagree and agree with what you do.

 

The zx2 server should be up and running in about 2 weeks or less. The stinkditch community will be up and running. zx2 and friends will be playing with all the people we originally played with and enjoyed playing with. Am I going to fully disregard this place? Definately not. I'll still visit the forums multiple times a day and enjoy my time here in the forums. My time in your server with definately be limited though.

 

I am sorry if I offended anyone in this post but really all thats needed to be said has been said. DJ stated very clearly and in nice words what he thinks about this place. I also have thought the same way allthough if I would have said it, it would not have been conveyed (sp?) in the same way. I comend all of you for the work you do, just cause I don't agree with everything doesn't mean you have to single me out and frown upon me. If thats the case then I really feel that this place has just turned sour.

 

Last time here???

 

Jonathan

[Draco]

I have read a few times where ppl recommended that ppl should try not to get all heated from a forum thread but the very same ppl get heated from forum threads.

 

talkin about me btw. i havent said anything remotely serious in these "anti-mmmm" posts because its funny, as fatty said, that pple come back and say basically the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again. Actually i am only talking about one person. (think you can guess)

 

CS IS A GAME!

[Magruter]

If you wish for me to leave Magruter and/or fatty then I will as well. I guess that means I am not able to attend the big lan =( . I don't want to be apart of a place where I am disliked by everyone cause my POV doesn't match those of others.

 

TeK, i never asked you too leave. But if you don't like Mmmm why even come into OUR forums, why even come into OUR server. I just doesn't make sense... I play for fun and my competative nature strives for challenges. I know i'll never be the best, but then again i don't weigh as having the most frags the best. I enjoy the parts of the game where people, say "gg" "nt" "ns" "gj" etc... To me it makes it worth it. I enjoy getting off of work, hoping online and getting a couple of maps in. What i don't understand is the anti-Mmmm attitude. I don't know if you guys expect to much out of us?? Are we arrongant?? Are we tyrants??

The only thing i can say is, We're trying!!!! I know we may not do the right thing all the time but, hey who does... If you could just give us a break, I'm not asking a favor, just understand where we are coming from

 

You said you don't trust people 100%, I will agree with that. But i do give people a certain level of trust when they deserve it. Trust is what makes any type of relationship work...

 

Let's have some fun and quit all this witchin....

[Guest TeKNiK]

I don't want to leave. Playing CS on your server and visiting forums run by you are 2 totally different things IMO. I visit other cs forums also and don't play CS on their servers.

 

I never bashed or hated any of your Mmmm personaly or hated your personality. I just disagree with how you run things and how you come off to people. Thats all. I never told you how to run things. Did I? I could be wrong again. Finals and studying have taken a lot out of me. Plus stress from other things. Running forums and running a cs server are 2 totally dif. things.

 

I am happy honestly a post like this gets started. It really allows me to air out what I want to say. I have said what I have needed to say for the most apart aside from the little nit-picky details.

 

Again, Magruter, I rarely play on trop., when I do its either 1. I like the map being played or 2. I like the people playing at that moment. 80% of the time I can't join due to reserves. I played this morning and it was filled with stupidity by random players. Now, again, I am not saying junk like this can be stopped but I just didn't need to deal with it. So I left. Simple as that. Never once did I think I was going to come on here and start complaining about the stupidity that was going on. Just kept my peace and left.

 

I am done on this subject and stating my opinion. If any of you Mmmm members or other community people feel the need to contact me then by all means AIM me at "TeKNiK CiVMiX". I am on 24/7 unless I rs my computer and I have down time for 5 mins.

Edited May 1, 2003 by TeKNiK

[Magruter]

I enjoy a good discussion as well, we are always trying to improve our forums, our server, and ourselfs all construtive criticism is welcome. You will not be banned, just as long as you keep it civil. BTW, Thx tek for keeping it civil. Although i don't like the remark about 98% people don't like Mmmm. I can only hope that isn't correct. I know you can't make people happy all the time, but if you someone has a problem with me. AIM me, MmmmMagruter. I'll be more then happy to take a couple of minutes out and discuss it. I have nothing but love for the peeps in the community...

 

About this morning, if i had a choice i'd monitor the server from work, but the firewall does not allow me too. Believe me, i don't put up with that behavior.

[Guest [MwR]Ghost]

No matter what or how I type a reply it will most likely be taken the wrong way, but here goes anyway. First off I want to say a few things about Mmmm. I don't want this to come out as a bash or put-down in anyway, I just want to post my personal opinion on things that have been going on lately. A good portion of this clan must have to deal with people with poor attitudes on a regular basis, now I can relate to this, but it seems to me that anytime anybody states their opinions, or say something slightly derogative, Mmmm members jump up in defensive stance full shields up. This is totally understandable, I have led more than one clans in the 4 years I have been playing cs now, and there are ALOT of little brats playing CS on mommy's outdated pc. Im just saying that the "Mr. Niceguy" attitude brings a better crowd, and mature community members, who feel they can come and talk about whats going on, instead of letting little things build up till you burst into a rant on the forums.

 

I have a question for Mmmm, do you guys run your server strictly for Mmmm and your clan, or is tropolis more for the community? I personally feel you guys strive for the community, or at least that is how I felt for the first 6 months I started playing here. If its built, run, and maintained strictly for Mmmm and to only benefit them, then no one has any argument or anything to say. On the other hand I have heard the word community thrown around left and right on the website, server, and forums. Someone said something about community being about the people ( I would go and get a quote like many do, to make my post look more intellectual, but I'll be the first to admit I'm just plain LAZY ), if thats the case then dont all the people that make the "community" have at least a little say in huge server altering decisions. Im not saying to run the server how people tell you to, but just to use community voice to assist in your decision making.

 

One last thing, I "think" Fatty stated something ( once again I'd get the quote, but this darn Laziness acts up when its gonna rain ) along the lines of why have long standing members not mention anything then blow up with harsh attitudes? ( Those were all of my own words, I would never try to put words in anyone's mouth ). I don't think that alot of regulars are complainers, some are, but most have a good attitude, then all of a sudden some one says something at the wrong or inopportune time, and the next thing you know it blows up into something rediculous. Then friends or clanmates feel their friend is being treated unfairly or something is taken the wrong way, and they get "pushed past their limit" and they too explode with emotional posts or aim chats. On top of all this, I think that alot of people play at tropolis because all of their friends play there, but are afraid to step up and state how they feel or their opinions for fear of being banned. This doesnt make it fun, as long as you follow the rules and don't disrespect members, then we should not have feel threatened or feel as though we have to "walk on eggshells" when it comes to our opinions or ideas.

 

Thanks for you time, and reading my post will prolly drop your IQ about 5 points

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Fatty's Im message today at 1:01Pm to me

 

- I don't see any reason why you are welcome to a lan party that I'm investing so much time and energy into... consider yourself uninvited.

 

GG Mmmm, beware the lan bannings have begun